Things Noticeable this week - Page 3276

**CARLTON BROWN** · March 25th, 2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by judy84

Russia unleashed an “extensive” operation in Britain after the Salisbury spy attack, with thousands of suspected robotic accounts spreading doubt and conspiracy on the internet, officials believe.
It is understood that an estimated 2,800 such online accounts are suspected of posting material about the attempted murder of Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury, according to monitoring reports prepared for the government. Messages posted by the suspect accounts are thought to have been interacted with 75 million times and to have reached at least 7.5 million people in Britain.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2...acks-zf6lvb3nc

Sadly, this is just the kind of government generated story you'd expect to find in a paper like The Times. So, what's wrong with a degree of doubt when there is no evidence of any sort being presented? I have many reservations and I'm certainly not a Russian secret agent, a Corbyn supporter, or easily swayed by obvious media propaganda.

**scoundrel** · March 25th, 2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CARLTON BROWN

Sadly, this is just the kind of government generated story you'd expect to find in a paper like The Times. So, what's wrong with a degree of doubt when there is no evidence of any sort being presented? I have many reservations and I'm certainly not a Russian secret agent, a Corbyn supporter, or easily swayed by obvious media propaganda.

Where do you get Novichok A-232 these days? It isn't as though Russia is trying very hard to cover her tracks.

**rupertramjet** · March 25th, 2018, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

Where do you get Novichok A-232 these days? It isn't as though Russia is trying very hard to cover her tracks.

TESCO BOGOF deal?

**Greenman** · March 25th, 2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bloke57

He also speaks with a refined accent in a few cartoons with Bugs Bunny - Operation Rabbit and Compressed Hare - there may be others.

Yes very true for example "...and I'm a genius whereas you could hardly pass the entrance exams to kindergarten" and he even brings his own fold up door!

I find it a bit rich that Australian cricket haven't had the decency to fine Steve Smith and David Warner for their part in the ball-tampering scandal yet Cameron Bancroft who actually did the deed is fined 75% of his match fee. I also remember that Joe Root was accused of ball-tampering in the Ashes by Aussie players yet no proof could be found.

Yesterday the 164th Boat Race took place on the Thames and Cambridge took all 4 races, the main races for men and women and the reserve races fir Blondie & Goldie(Cambridge) never been done before.

Went to an 18th birthday party for a friend of ours' daughter last night and you couldn't help noticing these girls wearing very thin dresses, shorts & tall boots or just something akin to a vest- it wasn't warm last night either. There was a disco later, but we left before that but we are hoping for a slice of the cake(Harry Potter books and the Golden Snitch) later this week.

**otokonomidori** · March 25th, 2018, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenman

....you couldn't help noticing these girls wearing very thin dresses, shorts & tall boots or just something akin to a vest- it wasn't warm last night either.....

I bet you were sweating though in the presence of all that unsullied [we hope] pulchritude.

**Greenman** · March 25th, 2018, 02:34 PM

A little out of my age range some would be more like daughters to me - and I never sweat or get excited - those days are long gone.

**CARLTON BROWN** · March 25th, 2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

Where do you get Novichok A-232 these days? It isn't as though Russia is trying very hard to cover her tracks.

I could easily agree with you and would say that there are clearly grounds for looking towards Russia as the home of the culprits. However, I don't doubt there are a number of sufficiently good laboratories in the UK, US or other industrialised nations who could reproduce this particular agent if they really wanted to.

Hopefully, there will soon be some positive verification. However, is there any method of saying for certain that the agent was manufactured in a Russian laboratory?

I simply don't like this constant desire to turn guesses into claims of fact. Yes, it might well be the FSB who undertook the attack and the finger of suspicion is pointing in their direction, but lets see some proof and a reason for doing this before going any further. Sergei Skripal does appear to have been involved with Russian criminals and perhaps they were responsible? Maybe it was renegade members of the FSB with grudges? Who knows what happened as HMG is simply expecting us to go along with whatever they say and not providing any solid evidence.

**Puhbear69** · March 25th, 2018, 04:34 PM

Carles Puigdemont, former Catalan president, detained in Germany

Catalonia's ex-leader Carles Puigdemont has been detained by German police acting on a European arrest warrant.

Mr Puigdemont, who is wanted in Spain for sedition and rebellion, was held crossing from Denmark on the way to Belgium, his lawyer said.

Mr Puigdemont had been on a visit to Finland since Thursday.

He has been living in self-imposed exile in Belgium since Catalonia's parliament unilaterally declared independence from Spain in October.

The charges of rebellion and sedition that Mr Puigdemont faces in Spain could result in 30 years in prison.

He slipped out of Finland on Friday before authorities could arrest him.

"The president was going to Belgium to put himself, as always, at the disposal of Belgian justice," his spokesman Joan Maria Pique said.

German police said that Mr Puigdemont was detained by a highway patrol in the northern state of Schleswig-Holstein, which borders Denmark.

Tensions in Catalonia are very high and its separatist leaders abandoned plans to name a new president following the arrest of the latest candidate, Jordi Turull, on Friday.

Crowds of protesters had clashed with police in Barcelona on Friday night after Spain's Supreme Court ruled 25 Catalan leaders should be tried for rebellion, embezzlement or disobeying the state. Mr Turull was among five people taken into custody in fresh arrests.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43532217
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Shame upon him who thinks evil upon it.

Usually the German authorities aren't having any clue, who is crossing the boarder to Germany; what they are having impressible demonstrated in case of several militant Islamic terrorists in the past.

The federal police (!) has stopped Carles Puigdemont on the Highway A7 in Schleswig Holstein back to Belgium.

(I suppose, he crossed the boarder with his original passport - opposed to the Islamic terrorists.)

**scoundrel** · March 25th, 2018, 04:42 PM

If this was an isolated incident then I might be a little bit more receptive, but it isn't. The incident conforms with a very well established pattern which goes back at least as far as 1978 and the ricin tipped umbrella murder on Waterloo Bridge. The FSB have used this method in Chechnya and other places, not just here. Remember the dioxin poisoning of Viktor Yushenko in Ukraine during their 2004 election campaign as well. You appear to believe there is a reasonable doubt, but I don't think there is.

**Brecht** · March 25th, 2018, 04:49 PM

One of the creators of the Novichok agent, Russian-born chemist Vil Mirzayanov, published a book in the mid-90s that included the formula and thus made it possible for everyone with a training in chemistry to produce Novichok.

Obvsiously the British clown government thinks the British citizens are stupid enough to believe that the Russians are even more stupid to assassinate the Skripals right before a major election and an economically important event, the impending FIFA World Cup, without covering their tracks.

Apparently Theresa Bond (IQ 007) tries to distract the British public from her own disasters. She and that moron Boris Johnson are in deep shit already but are willing to sink deeper. Without a shred of evidence for their claims, they presume to provoke a major international crisis that could escalate quickly. Even the police deny that there's any evidence that could tie the Russians to the attempted murder in Salisbury. Besides, the investigation is facing serious obstruction from the British government.

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Puhbear69 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,282 Thanks: 11,393 Thanked 48,702 Times in 2,258 Posts	Carles Puigdemont, former Catalan president, detained in Germany Catalonia's ex-leader Carles Puigdemont has been detained by German police acting on a European arrest warrant. Mr Puigdemont, who is wanted in Spain for sedition and rebellion, was held crossing from Denmark on the way to Belgium, his lawyer said. Mr Puigdemont had been on a visit to Finland since Thursday. He has been living in self-imposed exile in Belgium since Catalonia's parliament unilaterally declared independence from Spain in October. The charges of rebellion and sedition that Mr Puigdemont faces in Spain could result in 30 years in prison. He slipped out of Finland on Friday before authorities could arrest him. "The president was going to Belgium to put himself, as always, at the disposal of Belgian justice," his spokesman Joan Maria Pique said. German police said that Mr Puigdemont was detained by a highway patrol in the northern state of Schleswig-Holstein, which borders Denmark. Tensions in Catalonia are very high and its separatist leaders abandoned plans to name a new president following the arrest of the latest candidate, Jordi Turull, on Friday. Crowds of protesters had clashed with police in Barcelona on Friday night after Spain's Supreme Court ruled 25 Catalan leaders should be tried for rebellion, embezzlement or disobeying the state. Mr Turull was among five people taken into custody in fresh arrests. Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43532217 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Shame upon him who thinks evil upon it. Usually the German authorities aren't having any clue, who is crossing the boarder to Germany; what they are having impressible demonstrated in case of several militant Islamic terrorists in the past. The federal police (!) has stopped Carles Puigdemont on the Highway A7 in Schleswig Holstein back to Belgium. (I suppose, he crossed the boarder with his original passport - opposed to the Islamic terrorists.) __________________ Don't forget to say To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. to your posters, don't just leech, be a member.

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scoundrel Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 26,373 Thanks: 162,905 Thanked 280,789 Times in 26,317 Posts	If this was an isolated incident then I might be a little bit more receptive, but it isn't. The incident conforms with a very well established pattern which goes back at least as far as 1978 and the ricin tipped umbrella murder on Waterloo Bridge. The FSB have used this method in Chechnya and other places, not just here. Remember the dioxin poisoning of Viktor Yushenko in Ukraine during their 2004 election campaign as well. You appear to believe there is a reasonable doubt, but I don't think there is. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

March 25th, 2018, 04:49 PM	#32760
Brecht Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 10,657 Thanks: 180,485 Thanked 188,156 Times in 10,453 Posts	One of the creators of the Novichok agent, Russian-born chemist Vil Mirzayanov, published a book in the mid-90s that included the formula and thus made it possible for everyone with a training in chemistry to produce Novichok. Obvsiously the British clown government thinks the British citizens are stupid enough to believe that the Russians are even more stupid to assassinate the Skripals right before a major election and an economically important event, the impending FIFA World Cup, without covering their tracks. Apparently Theresa Bond (IQ 007) tries to distract the British public from her own disasters. She and that moron Boris Johnson are in deep shit already but are willing to sink deeper. Without a shred of evidence for their claims, they presume to provoke a major international crisis that could escalate quickly. Even the police deny that there's any evidence that could tie the Russians to the attempted murder in Salisbury. Besides, the investigation is facing serious obstruction from the British government.