Christine Leval

**HeinBollo** · November 25th, 2008, 11:44 AM

Introduction
We had some posts about Christine all over the forum, but nothing was really sorted and too many questions remained unanswered. So let´s bring some bare facts to this fine busty lady and start a thread on her.

Why is she special
What makes her adorable to most of her viewers are Christine´s well proportioned boobs and her often shaved cunt which wasn´t very common in those days. Later she was renowned for her threesome and DP scenes.

Bare facts
Apart from a small entry on EGAFD / IMDB there is almost no information about her in the net. She appeared under various different pseudonyms such as Christine Marlberg (most common), Christine Berg (Oftly) and Christine Saber (US).
Most of the information here is based on collecting her stuff. She was born in +/- 1967 as Christine, but definitely with a different second name as she is known for. She lived in Bad Tölz (40 km south of Munich) at the time the flicks were shot. Christine has a strong Bavarian accent which is very audible in the film "Rasiert – Rasiertes Lustfleisch (VR-05621, 1986)". Most of her photo sets where shot at locations in the area somewhere between Munich and Salzburg (AUT). Christine has brunette hair and blue-green eyes. Her bust measurement is a natural B/C cup, which she hasn´t enhanced during her career.

porn career
Christine entered the porn business in summer 1986 being around 19 years old. Actually her movie for VTO is dated to 1986 (see box cover) instead of 1985 as stated in some databases, so the first known appearance to me is her solo masturbation scene for Videor@m@´s “Rasiert” (Shaved) series. Followed by some more flicks for German porn companies VTO and Frivol (Herzog), before she started working for French porn producer M@rc Dorcel.
In between she did several layouts for famous Danish porn company C** C** being a model from summer 1986 to summer 1988. At least she did eight photo layouts for C** C** (+ 4 reissues) and two more for other porn companies. A guide to her adult films sorted by labels + magazine layouts will follow in the next post.

disappeared without trace
All her known flicks where shot in 1986. During her short lived porn career she just played in six adult movies and appeared in two more compilations late in the 1990s. After she has retired from the biz in 1988, she seemed to disappear without trace. If anyone knows more about Christine´s life after her nasty biz, please let us know.

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**HeinBollo** · November 25th, 2008, 11:47 AM

If you can provide some more info to this list please send me a PM and I will add it here and credit your name to it. Thanks in advance.

label / studio
Title (format – VHS unless stated, Cat.No., release date, genre - when special)

CINEGLOBO
Ricordi di notte (1986) 72 min.
Alternative German title“(Karin Schubert

Feuer der Begierden“ (DVD, Mike Hunter – MHI-042)

- threesome, DP + solo / masturbation scene
(Italian language, VHS source) thanks to lucican

FRIVOL (then HERZOG)
Sex Alpin - Skihaserl-bums (1986/7) 80 min.

- as Christine Marlberg
- alternative title Sex Mountain, respectively Ski, Sex, Mountain (VCX, 4232, 1988)

Content (various descriptions)
Slide in and plant your pole in one of the hottest little ski huts around. An innocent weekend ski trip turns into one big snowplow as these ski-sluts swap partners fast enough to melt down any mountain.
Downhill, freestyle, hot-doggin' through the back chute, hot-blooded ski tramps like to take plenty of runs in all ways on top of Sex Mountain!

Four models go to the Alps for a photoshoot in the snow. They arrive by helicopter and meet some male skiers during the shoot. They leave by car. Their car breaks down and they are helped by the same male skiers. After one model has sex with one of the helpers in the back of their van, they repair to a hotel where general sexual mayhem ensues.

MARC DORCEL
Les 7 derniers outrages (1986, DVD reissue November 2003)

here thanks to ginko53

Content
The bride (presumably Régine Bourgeois) is ignored by her husband on their wedding night, but then initiated into all kinds of debauchery with the help of other men and two other women, Christine Leval and Valérie Seller. This begins with the bride, in black stocking and black veil lying in a hammock while one of seven candles is lit and another girl has sex on the floor. One candle is lit and one 'outrage' per day is committed until all seven candles ar lit, the new bride gradually joining in.

METRO (VCX)
S@m@nth@ @nd The Deep Thro@t Girls (1988, DVD 2008)

here All credits to the original uploader “wyldwulfx” and thanks to Eghee1ie for the link.

OFTLY VIDEO
Doubles outrages (1986) (French title distr. Marc Dorcel)
Moli Exclusive - Doppelte Lust (Magma DVD reissue April 2008)
- as Christine Berg (in German release)

VIDEORAMA
Rasiert – Rasiertes Lustfleisch (05621, 1986)

- solo, masturbation (bald)

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...2&postcount=32

VTO
The Backdoor Club (8001, 1986) (DVD reissue by Caballero on May 16, 2007)

- plays Gretchen
- as Joanna Stevens for VTO
- as Christine Saber in Caballero (US version)
(1998 VHS version) thanks to den
(2007 DVD version) thanks to mougah

Content
The innermost recesses of human sexuality can be reached via a jar of soothing Vaseline at Munich's notorious Backdoor Club. Danielle and Taija Rae get their eyes opened and that aint all. By Herschel Savage and Gabriel Pontello's probe of passion pumping pleasure. Assisted by two Teutonic tush temptresses (plus Tracy Adams.), you'll find it makes no difference if you use the back or front door of this unique establishment. Like a loose sutter in a storm, there's always lots of banging going on!

COMPILATIONS

Collectors Choice 18 (CDI, September, 1st 1998) compilation, 120 min

- double penetration scene w/ Andre Prost and Jean Ramatuelle

Anal Holiday (Gentlemen´s Video)

- as Christine Marlberg

some more pictures for the connoisseurs

MAGAZINE LAYOUTS

Cee Cee stories

“Big Girls Games”
TS 44 (July 1986) as Marlene
99m << corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BGG) w/ Judy
scans here thanks to Bubba Hoteb

“Free And Easy”
TSG 10 (February 1987) as Marlene
129b << corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BBG)
scans here thanks to mogli63

“Erotic Treat”
TS 47 (March 1987) as Marlene
131i<< corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BGG) w/ Zoe
scans here

"Salon Sex"
NC 46 (June 1986)
threesome (BGG)
scans here thanks to mikafan and
mogli63 for the complete scan of the magazine
scans here

“Playing Erotic Games”
NC 50 (August 1987) as Beate
<< corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BBG), bald
scans here

“Greek Technique”
AS 62 (1986) as Beate
120b << corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BBG)
scans here (Part 1) thanks to paul163
scans here (Part 2) thanks to paul163

“Late Night Passion”
AS 68 (January 1988) as Beate
<< corresponding C** C** picture set
foursome (BBBG)
scans here thanks to mogli 63

“A Velvet Tongue”
EX 44 (August 1988) as Beate
<< corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BGG), w/ Hanni
single set with improved quality
full mag scan here thanks to hartwig

reissues

“Greek Technique”
HC 46 (November 1990) as Beate
120b << corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BBG)

“Sandwiched”
HC 51 (October 1991) as Beate
89j << corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BBG)

“Erotic Treat”
DG 17 (January 1992) as Marlene
originally published in TS 47 (March 1987) as Marlene
131i<< corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BGG) w/ Zoe
scans here

“---”
SAT 11 (September 1994) as Beate
91g << corresponding C** C** picture set
threesome (BBG)

other stories

Pink Nr. 1 (Ple@sure / ZBF January 1986.
Christine and Carmen Fernandez in a hot threesome getting analyzed and facialed by Gerard Luig here
full mag scan here Thanks to Inspirator

unkown set - threesome (published 1992)
here thanks to mehlschrott

“Hunter Meets To Chicks“
set PS4626 (1986)
- location: at lake with a small castle in the background near Munich
threesome w/ Sabine Kalleitner (BGG)
here thanks to jobart

unknown set “seducing the photographer at his studio”
threesome (BGG), probably Tina Loren and Christine Leval with Jean-Pierre Armand
- incomplete set
here
thanks to Thenewger for the pics and Candela for the ID
(see also the two pictures down below on the left side)

**HeinBollo** · November 25th, 2008, 11:50 AM

See Christine in a hot threesome at the office in EX 44 magazine published by C** C** in August
1988. These HQ scans (resolution 1720 x 2480) were reworked as they suffered from low contrast
a bit and newly edited. Thanks to generous hartwig for providing the scans (*=a)

Please avoid posting pictures with the red logo in it as this thread will soon disappear! Thanks

**HeinBollo** · December 8th, 2008, 10:38 AM

See Christine (as Marlene) and her girlfriend Zoe in a hot threesome (BGG)
appearing in TS 47 magazine published by C**** C***** in March 1987.
HQ scans (resolution 1420 x 2048).

**HeinBollo** · January 20th, 2009, 04:26 PM

See shaved Christine (as Beate) in the hot threesome. The story “Playing Erotic Games”
was published in NC 50 magazine by C** C** in August 1987. HQ scans (resolution 1420 x 2048).

**fannatastic** · January 29th, 2009, 10:13 PM

I think Christine Marlberg is the preferred name here at VEF.

Her CC mag appearances:

Mag Story ID, Story Title, Comments

AS62.2, Greek Technique,
AS68.3, Late Night Passion, not on CC website yet
BC37.4, Refined Model,
CC136.4, Sandwiched,
EX37.1, Lecherous Lady, not on CC website yet
EX44.2, A Velvet Tongue,
NC46.3, Salon Sex,
NC50.5, Playing Erotic Games,
SG10.1, Free And Easy,
TS44.3, Big Girls Games,
TS47.5, Erotic Treat,

.A list .P list .MS list

**HeinBollo** · February 27th, 2009, 11:47 PM

These slideshow pictures are fairly likely from the movie “Ricordi di notte” released by Cineglobo in 1986.
Alternative title: ”Karin Schubert: Feuer der Begierde“ by Mike Hunter (Cat.No.164). It´s the only known
one where both act together. Thanks to ballantines and Thenewger for the pics.

**Al Gebra** · May 23rd, 2009, 05:22 PM

Refined Model - Blue Climax 37 (Rodox scans)

free image host

Burlesque · June 5th, 2009, 07:50 PM

Just to point out that Christine's scene in "The Deep Throat Girls" is not an original one but a clip from another film: "The Backdoor Club".

See: http://www.egafd.com/films/details.php/id/s2511

"Skihaserl-bums" ("Sex alpin" or "Sex mountain") on the other hand, is completely original footage all the way and an absolute must for all Christine's fans. This film was new to me. Thanks for that one, Kurt and HeinBollo! Up to now I thought "Les 7 derniers outrages" was her foremost work. Now I know better...

In "Les 7..." she played a secondary role, but in "Sex alpine" she is the leading lady, always in the middle of things. Like here...

The film shows this truly beautiful girl in all imaginable positions and from every lovely angle:

IMHO, a classic.

.

**HeinBollo** · June 22nd, 2009, 04:33 AM

See Christine (as Marlene) with Judy in a threesome appearing in TS 44 magazine published by
Cee Cee in July 1986. HQ scans 1950 x 2800. Thanks to Bubba Hotep for posting the mag at
VEF and bjornkuk for the original upload

November 25th, 2008, 11:44 AM	#1
HeinBollo Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in German captivity where ignorance and stupidity count as qualifications Posts: 21,823 Thanks: 16,661 Thanked 674,460 Times in 23,150 Posts	Christine Leval Introduction We had some posts about Christine all over the forum, but nothing was really sorted and too many questions remained unanswered. So let´s bring some bare facts to this fine busty lady and start a thread on her. Why is she special What makes her adorable to most of her viewers are Christine´s well proportioned boobs and her often shaved cunt which wasn´t very common in those days. Later she was renowned for her threesome and DP scenes. Bare facts Apart from a small entry on EGAFD / IMDB there is almost no information about her in the net. She appeared under various different pseudonyms such as Christine Marlberg (most common), Christine Berg (Oftly) and Christine Saber (US). Most of the information here is based on collecting her stuff. She was born in +/- 1967 as Christine, but definitely with a different second name as she is known for. She lived in Bad Tölz (40 km south of Munich) at the time the flicks were shot. Christine has a strong Bavarian accent which is very audible in the film "Rasiert – Rasiertes Lustfleisch (VR-05621, 1986)". Most of her photo sets where shot at locations in the area somewhere between Munich and Salzburg (AUT). Christine has brunette hair and blue-green eyes. Her bust measurement is a natural B/C cup, which she hasn´t enhanced during her career. porn career Christine entered the porn business in summer 1986 being around 19 years old. Actually her movie for VTO is dated to 1986 (see box cover) instead of 1985 as stated in some databases, so the first known appearance to me is her solo masturbation scene for Videor@m@´s “Rasiert” (Shaved) series. Followed by some more flicks for German porn companies VTO and Frivol (Herzog), before she started working for French porn producer M@rc Dorcel. In between she did several layouts for famous Danish porn company C C being a model from summer 1986 to summer 1988. At least she did eight photo layouts for C C (+ 4 reissues) and two more for other porn companies. A guide to her adult films sorted by labels + magazine layouts will follow in the next post. disappeared without trace All her known flicks where shot in 1986. During her short lived porn career she just played in six adult movies and appeared in two more compilations late in the 1990s. After she has retired from the biz in 1988, she seemed to disappear without trace. If anyone knows more about Christine´s life after her nasty biz, please let us know. Thanks for your patience reading this. If you like this thread, please hit the thanks button. Last edited by palo5; March 5th, 2016 at 11:14 AM.. Reason: C

November 25th, 2008, 11:47 AM	#2
HeinBollo Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in German captivity where ignorance and stupidity count as qualifications Posts: 21,823 Thanks: 16,661 Thanked 674,460 Times in 23,150 Posts	guide to her adult films sorted by labels + magazine layouts If you can provide some more info to this list please send me a PM and I will add it here and credit your name to it. Thanks in advance. label / studio Title (format – VHS unless stated, Cat.No., release date, genre - when special) CINEGLOBO Ricordi di notte (1986) 72 min. Alternative German title“(Karin Schubert Feuer der Begierden“ (DVD, Mike Hunter – MHI-042) - threesome, DP + solo / masturbation scene (Italian language, VHS source) thanks to lucican FRIVOL (then HERZOG) Sex Alpin - Skihaserl-bums (1986/7) 80 min. - as Christine Marlberg - alternative title Sex Mountain, respectively Ski, Sex, Mountain (VCX, 4232, 1988) Content (various descriptions) Slide in and plant your pole in one of the hottest little ski huts around. An innocent weekend ski trip turns into one big snowplow as these ski-sluts swap partners fast enough to melt down any mountain. Downhill, freestyle, hot-doggin' through the back chute, hot-blooded ski tramps like to take plenty of runs in all ways on top of Sex Mountain! Four models go to the Alps for a photoshoot in the snow. They arrive by helicopter and meet some male skiers during the shoot. They leave by car. Their car breaks down and they are helped by the same male skiers. After one model has sex with one of the helpers in the back of their van, they repair to a hotel where general sexual mayhem ensues. MARC DORCEL Les 7 derniers outrages (1986, DVD reissue November 2003) here thanks to ginko53 Content The bride (presumably Régine Bourgeois) is ignored by her husband on their wedding night, but then initiated into all kinds of debauchery with the help of other men and two other women, Christine Leval and Valérie Seller. This begins with the bride, in black stocking and black veil lying in a hammock while one of seven candles is lit and another girl has sex on the floor. One candle is lit and one 'outrage' per day is committed until all seven candles ar lit, the new bride gradually joining in. METRO (VCX) S@m@nth@ @nd The Deep Thro@t Girls (1988, DVD 2008) here All credits to the original uploader “wyldwulfx” and thanks to Eghee1ie for the link. OFTLY VIDEO Doubles outrages (1986) (French title distr. Marc Dorcel) Moli Exclusive - Doppelte Lust (Magma DVD reissue April 2008) - as Christine Berg (in German release) VIDEORAMA Rasiert – Rasiertes Lustfleisch (05621, 1986) - solo, masturbation (bald) http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...2&postcount=32 VTO The Backdoor Club (8001, 1986) (DVD reissue by Caballero on May 16, 2007) - plays Gretchen - as Joanna Stevens for VTO - as Christine Saber in Caballero (US version) (1998 VHS version) thanks to den (2007 DVD version) thanks to mougah Content The innermost recesses of human sexuality can be reached via a jar of soothing Vaseline at Munich's notorious Backdoor Club. Danielle and Taija Rae get their eyes opened and that aint all. By Herschel Savage and Gabriel Pontello's probe of passion pumping pleasure. Assisted by two Teutonic tush temptresses (plus Tracy Adams.), you'll find it makes no difference if you use the back or front door of this unique establishment. Like a loose sutter in a storm, there's always lots of banging going on! COMPILATIONS Collectors Choice 18 (CDI, September, 1st 1998) compilation, 120 min - double penetration scene w/ Andre Prost and Jean Ramatuelle Anal Holiday (Gentlemen´s Video) - as Christine Marlberg some more pictures for the connoisseurs MAGAZINE LAYOUTS Cee Cee stories “Big Girls Games” TS 44 (July 1986) as Marlene 99m << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BGG) w/ Judy scans here thanks to Bubba Hoteb “Free And Easy” TSG 10 (February 1987) as Marlene 129b << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BBG) scans here thanks to mogli63 “Erotic Treat” TS 47 (March 1987) as Marlene 131i<< corresponding C C picture set threesome (BGG) w/ Zoe scans here "Salon Sex" NC 46 (June 1986) threesome (BGG) scans here thanks to mikafan and mogli63 for the complete scan of the magazine scans here “Playing Erotic Games” NC 50 (August 1987) as Beate << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BBG), bald scans here “Greek Technique” AS 62 (1986) as Beate 120b << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BBG) scans here (Part 1) thanks to paul163 scans here (Part 2) thanks to paul163 “Late Night Passion” AS 68 (January 1988) as Beate << corresponding C C picture set foursome (BBBG) scans here thanks to mogli 63 “A Velvet Tongue” EX 44 (August 1988) as Beate << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BGG), w/ Hanni single set with improved quality full mag scan here thanks to hartwig reissues “Greek Technique” HC 46 (November 1990) as Beate 120b << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BBG) “Sandwiched” HC 51 (October 1991) as Beate 89j << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BBG) “Erotic Treat” DG 17 (January 1992) as Marlene originally published in TS 47 (March 1987) as Marlene 131i<< corresponding C C picture set threesome (BGG) w/ Zoe scans here “---” SAT 11 (September 1994) as Beate 91g << corresponding C C picture set threesome (BBG) other stories Pink Nr. 1 (Ple@sure / ZBF January 1986. Christine and Carmen Fernandez in a hot threesome getting analyzed and facialed by Gerard Luig here full mag scan here Thanks to Inspirator unkown set - threesome (published 1992) here thanks to mehlschrott “Hunter Meets To Chicks“ set PS4626 (1986) - location: at lake with a small castle in the background near Munich threesome w/ Sabine Kalleitner (BGG) here thanks to jobart unknown set “seducing the photographer at his studio” threesome (BGG), probably Tina Loren and Christine Leval with Jean-Pierre Armand - incomplete set here thanks to Thenewger for the pics and Candela for the ID (see also the two pictures down below on the left side) Last edited by HeinBollo; June 10th, 2014 at 04:15 AM..

November 25th, 2008, 11:50 AM	#3
HeinBollo Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in German captivity where ignorance and stupidity count as qualifications Posts: 21,823 Thanks: 16,661 Thanked 674,460 Times in 23,150 Posts	Christine in a hot threesome at the office See Christine in a hot threesome at the office in EX 44 magazine published by C C in August 1988. These HQ scans (resolution 1720 x 2480) were reworked as they suffered from low contrast a bit and newly edited. Thanks to generous hartwig for providing the scans (=a) Please avoid posting pictures with the red logo in it as this thread will soon disappear! Thanks Last edited by HeinBollo; November 25th, 2008 at 05:56 PM..*

December 8th, 2008, 10:38 AM	#4
HeinBollo Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in German captivity where ignorance and stupidity count as qualifications Posts: 21,823 Thanks: 16,661 Thanked 674,460 Times in 23,150 Posts	Erotic treat See Christine (as Marlene) and her girlfriend Zoe in a hot threesome (BGG) appearing in TS 47 magazine published by C** C*** in March 1987. HQ scans (resolution 1420 x 2048).

January 20th, 2009, 04:26 PM	#5
HeinBollo Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in German captivity where ignorance and stupidity count as qualifications Posts: 21,823 Thanks: 16,661 Thanked 674,460 Times in 23,150 Posts	Christine in another hot threesome See shaved Christine (as Beate) in the hot threesome. The story “Playing Erotic Games” was published in NC 50 magazine by C C in August 1987. HQ scans (resolution 1420 x 2048).

January 29th, 2009, 10:13 PM	#6
fannatastic Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Treasure Island Posts: 1,298 Thanks: 625 Thanked 13,074 Times in 1,161 Posts	I think Christine Marlberg is the preferred name here at VEF. Her CC mag appearances: Mag Story ID, Story Title, Comments AS62.2, Greek Technique, AS68.3, Late Night Passion, not on CC website yet BC37.4, Refined Model, CC136.4, Sandwiched, EX37.1, Lecherous Lady, not on CC website yet EX44.2, A Velvet Tongue, NC46.3, Salon Sex, NC50.5, Playing Erotic Games, SG10.1, Free And Easy, TS44.3, Big Girls Games, TS47.5, Erotic Treat, .A list .P list .MS list

February 27th, 2009, 11:47 PM	#7
HeinBollo Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in German captivity where ignorance and stupidity count as qualifications Posts: 21,823 Thanks: 16,661 Thanked 674,460 Times in 23,150 Posts	Christine and Tina Loren in a threesome These slideshow pictures are fairly likely from the movie “Ricordi di notte” released by Cineglobo in 1986. Alternative title: ”Karin Schubert: Feuer der Begierde“ by Mike Hunter (Cat.No.164). It´s the only known one where both act together. Thanks to ballantines and Thenewger for the pics.

May 23rd, 2009, 05:22 PM	#8
Al Gebra Former Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 11,875 Thanks: 19,210 Thanked 580,395 Times in 11,034 Posts	Refined Model - Blue Climax 37 (Rodox scans) free image host __________________ m Please add source, post complete photo and scan sets - with indexes, if available, preserve genuine file names (that will help to ID sources and model names), thank, credit, and quote original posters. I'm afraid I haven't any time for reuploads. Don't send reports (or PMs) of dead files or requests! Once the files posted above are expired, please help each other, add the info I provided as well. -> Underlined words in my posts are clickable. <-

June 5th, 2009, 07:50 PM	#9
Burlesque Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 358 Thanks: 9,319 Thanked 7,702 Times in 358 Posts	S@m@nth@ @nd The Deep Thro@t Girls and "Sex alpin" Just to point out that Christine's scene in "The Deep Throat Girls" is not an original one but a clip from another film: "The Backdoor Club". See: http://www.egafd.com/films/details.php/id/s2511 "Skihaserl-bums" ("Sex alpin" or "Sex mountain") on the other hand, is completely original footage all the way and an absolute must for all Christine's fans. This film was new to me. Thanks for that one, Kurt and HeinBollo! Up to now I thought "Les 7 derniers outrages" was her foremost work. Now I know better... In "Les 7..." she played a secondary role, but in "Sex alpine" she is the leading lady, always in the middle of things. Like here... The film shows this truly beautiful girl in all imaginable positions and from every lovely angle: IMHO, a classic. .

June 22nd, 2009, 04:33 AM	#10
HeinBollo Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in German captivity where ignorance and stupidity count as qualifications Posts: 21,823 Thanks: 16,661 Thanked 674,460 Times in 23,150 Posts	Christine in a hot threesome See Christine (as Marlene) with Judy in a threesome appearing in TS 44 magazine published by Cee Cee in July 1986. HQ scans 1950 x 2800. Thanks to Bubba Hotep for posting the mag at VEF and bjornkuk for the original upload