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Old 12-29-2010, 04:53 PM   #131
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No time now to watch the show but keep 'em coming! Wonderful stuff, shows how wide a subject this thrilling spectacle is. I want to rejoin the debate in light of some of the comments made but can't do so right now. Here's another Ginger routine, though what a pity she doesn't strip right down to just her heels (no stockings treat in this one).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gh0WAPdhAE

That opening music is just made for striptease!
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:09 PM   #132
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A confident mature woman, starting properly fully clothed, moving in time to the raunchy,brassy,rythmic tune of `The Stripper`, Bra & knickers to come off last of all ,
with stockings/suspenders & shoes LEFT ON.
Brilliant.

Get her to turn round slowly holding that pose and it would be even more brilliant!

It's striptease but why isn't it burlesque? I think it's the way the word is used nowadays that makes people think it's one or the other.

Before 1968 if you wanted to see nude women on stage (like at the Windmill) you had to be content with them not moving. If you wanted to see them move you had to go to a strip club - as a private club the rules were different. Even then it was strip to g-string only.

Then things changed. There's a lot about this period in Murray Goldstein's Naked Jungle and Paul Willetts' Members Only. Murray Goldstein ran the Maxim club and as he tells it was there, apparently, that Linda first performed a stunning piece of theatre" in which she showed "her secret delights."

It was theatre. Okay, the big band had been replaced by tapes but let me recall Bo-Peep's act with her little woolly sheep and her pink gingham dress getting thoroughly naked on stage. Little teaser, she would peel her stockings right down then roll them up again before peeling them down again, this time right off. (baldbeaver - I like 'em peeled off and I like 'em left on, it all adds to the variety).

Or the pair of cancan girls. Did they have knickers underneath those delicious frilly dresses? Yes, well to start with! Did they manage to get absolutely everything off during their act Of course they did. How about Miss X who had to sit in that smart blouse and tight skirt typing away on stage as her voice of her boss told her to run along and get a present for his girlfriend? How did she manage to persuade him that she was the one he really wanted? Simple, strip everything off to rousing music and parade nudely until she caught his attention.

Ballet dancers, French tarts, beachball girls, fairytale princesses, school marms, air hostesses, flamenco dancers, they all did it on stage to raunchy, brassy music and they took every last stitch off. They weren't shy about dancing in the buff nor did they hide anything.

The good strip clubs turned themselves into "striptease theatres." True, standards eventually declined and the routines slowly evolved into today's bored undressing, pole dancing and even not taking everything off. But it was theatrical, it was burlesque, it was striptease. Maybe burlesque modern-style will eventually get to the stage when we get the tease, we get the strip, we get the kind of traditional striptease that had us begging for more!.

Let's hope this will inspire some more replies and "finds." It's a fascinating debate... I'll see if I can come up with some more clips - keep 'em coming!
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:43 AM   #133
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Here is a copy of the front and back covers of the "A Pictorial History Of Striptease", as mentioned by ecdysiastic, that I have.

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Old 12-31-2010, 03:42 PM   #134
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Cover girl appears to be page 3 girl Nina Carter.
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Given the arguments, seemed odd that the clip in #187 wasn't this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWlCP...eature=related

Same girl, but the music is as traditional as it gets.
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Old 12-31-2010, 05:58 PM   #136
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I was thinking of posting that clip but it illustrates the fact that she like all Burlesque dancers/performers etc doesn't go all the way-(but as a pornstar she does alot more than what she does in that performance) i.e. shows her nipples and gets her 'knickers' off. As said many times that is the traditional striptease. I wonder if this thread should now include Burlesque seeing as so many clips are posted-the strip might be traditional, the music, in some cases traditional-ish, but the 'end result' can't be classed as traditional. See you all in 2011.
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I think there's something terrific about a good striptease, but it doesn't have to be so totally traditional and Burlesque-like. There's a category I like which is hard to label. It has to be done on a stage, otherwise it's just another video of someone taking their clothes off. It has to start with the woman wearing a dress, or other elegant clothing, and lingerie. And it has to be done fairly slowly and tantalisingly. And it should go all the way. This isn't necessarily Burlesque, but it's definitely not the crude gyrations of a pneumatic bikini clad pole dancer. Don't understand why there's so little of the right stuff, but then when you look at so much of what passes for erotica these days, you have to despair.
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Old 12-31-2010, 10:11 PM   #138
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Here's a reminder of the lure of the Soho striptease show in the black and white era. Do they come more traditional than that?

Burlesque as used now seems to cover - should that be uncover - big show production values, plenty of tease but not the nudity. Here's a clip of Michelle L'amour. This involves a bit of almost everything, except total nudity. More than seven minutes long, it reminds me of a seventies club act - there's time for lots of clothes to come off. She peels her stockings, has tiny pasties, and watching those knickers come off is a treat, for me at least!

The reason I like the way her knickers come off is there's a g-string underneath, a classic striptease move, you think you're going to see something and then, oh! you don't. Agony!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QF8seMDQwA

Helping hands have been around a long time - I remember a club act with a lady who had two sets of hands helping her slip off her bra and knickers as she sat demurely on a chair in front of a black screen. The way she writhed as they peeled her was uplifting!

At the start she wore a lovely long wine coloured dress with puffy sleeves and bare shoulders and displayed a very deep cleavage. Then, tasty in her delicious underwear, her stockings and suspender belt came off before the hands emerged behind the chair to help her slip out of bra and tie-sided knickers. She still had a good three minutes to show herself off totally naked, dancing round the stage. Utterly thrilling, she was electrifying!

Yep, stage, curtains, brassy music, great costume, full set of underwear, stockings - seamed please - and long gloves (all preferably black). Get 'em off, get 'em all off. A striptease should have a happy nude ending!

There's some really great things on this thread - keep 'em coming for a Happy Nude Year!
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Thumbs up Wiva L'Amour..(Viva Le Disney!)

Well ecdysiastic, I have to agree with your observations, and to further prove your point, we can turn to Miss L'amour yet again, as she gives us a performance that takes a G-rated character motiff, and turns her into a Near X Rated dance perfomance that makes you wish.. She had gotten rid of the G-string and pasties!

Now in this 4 minute clip, Michelle give us a taste of something so sweet and so innocent, that it could fool you. I mean the style starts off as something that Walt Disney would love.. sweet, innocent, and demure Snow White.

And it's not until Michelle takes a bite out of the (poisoned) apple, that things look all G-rated.. like you were watching that Disney classic live on stage..

But the moment she takes a bite? Things really change.. and goes from G-Rated, to X in a matter of 4 minutes, as she peels out of the clothes, that Snow White may have been a Disney Princess at one time, but if Walt had seen this act today? His Cryogenically frozen head (if it does exist) would have either melted or exploded as Michell gives the audience one heck of a show.

And it's Ironic that I mention this.. But it's this very innocent act that actually propelled Miss L'Amour into the spotlight when she pulled the same exact routine in 2006 on "America's Got Talent" in front of a live audience, and shocked the heck out of the judges, of which the 2 male judges allowed her to move on to the next round of competition, whereas the female judge thought Michelle was a cheap 2000's stripper act.

(To the female judge on that series who thought that Michelle was a cheap stripper?, I hate to say this lady, Michelle isn't a cheap stripper, and that you're probably was anti-burlesque. Because Michelle is classy, if she can make one of Walt Disney's most 'Bland' princesses, become the sultry vixen that other later Disney princesses became, Then she made burlesque worth it's weight in gold).

In closing, you do have to remember this.. The art of striptease is all about the tease, and nothing about the total nudity. As the famous Gypsy Rose Lee once said, If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing slowly... very slowly.

But with Michelle? Even a four minute strip show of Show White shows that Gypsy was only partially right.. Because If a thing is worth doing, It's worth doing with either innocent demure, class, a gimmick, or all three blended into a show that will leave men wanting more.

But in the end, striptease is the art where the only thing that is left is very little to the imagination, other than a G-string and a couple of pasties.

Even Walt Disney would have approved. (After all most of Walt's 'Nine Old Men' were artists who studied the nude form, and probably visited burlesque theaters back in the day.)

I think that about sums it up about striptease, L'amour style

Oh and Happy New Year!

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Old 01-01-2011, 05:19 PM   #140
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Fantastic! No time right now to enjoy the riches which are being slowly revealed bit by bit - just like great striptease at its best! Much more to say later on but please keep 'em coming!

Btw anyone remember the old Carnival in Soho?

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