Watching your wife screw

[nakedal]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

nakedal,

Before going any further, please make sure both you and your wife are really interested in going any further. The scenarios you describe may be a turn-on for the both of you but just make sure the little green monster won't decide to drop by and ruin a perfectly good relationship. None of this is worth that eventuality if you really love your mate and want to stay with them.

Definitely completely important. I guess, in my naivety that jI hadn't thought much further than getting her to agree to it - as something that she would enjoy too. To summarise where we are at, she now tends to indulge me in my fantasy while I talk about other men sucking her other tit or getting her to say she should hang out naked with other guys to enjoy them appreciating her sexy body or blindfolding her and not being sure who is actually there - or having her as a naked slave that potential owners come and feel and grope before deciding that she's defintely one to buy.

It's a leap from there to her taking the initiative in asking for a stranger to play with. I had assumed that it would just be a case of arranging something - possibly as a birthday surprise, but I can see now that the jealousy angle would definitely need to be fully discussed. I am pretty sure that she wouldn't want another woman involved to play with me, and I am pretty sure that watching a guy turn her on in new ways would just excite me and please me that she is just freeing up further sexually. Sexual confidence (in her ability to turn on other guys, to demand what she wants from intercourse, to take the lead etc) turns me on hugely.

I've experienced both and have to say both scenarios can be a lot of fun. A nice variant for me is to have the woman on top riding face towards me and initially sitting (usually on the edge of a bed). She could also be riding someone else. All kinds of access to everything in that position. Then the male leans back and pulls her with them gently, exposing her rear. Someone else has already been playing with her back there but now, with the assist of some lube, they can now gently enter her from the rear. Really, the first time this happens you should be in front as you can hold her in your arms and see and feel her reaction as the second cock enters her. Your first time? More than likely this will be a whole new situation like neither of you has experienced. I could probably go on and on about this position as virtually every woman I've done this with has experienced orgasms they find very hard to describe.

Interesting one this - one of the first times we talked about this - years ago, was just the idea of how would she feel with two cocks inside her? I sensed a little thrill at the idea, but she didn't want to discuss it further. One thing to understand is that she has always been incredibly loving and loyal and has said how she just wants me to see her naked or have sex with her - although she has always come along to naturist beaches every year and gets more confident after each day - this year for the first time though she stripped completely naked on arriving at the beach (sometimes it takes half an hour or more on her first day) and came into the sea with me - she was reticent about walking naked in full view of other people in the early parts of most holidays. When she was worried about people judging her I think it hit home this time that if anyone IS looking, it will be to appreciate her - she's still got a great body at the age of 50 - it looks more like a 40 yr old's body if I'm really honest.

It sounds like something I'd be right up for, but since it would take a huge effort on her part I think to admit to any desire to play in this way) this will probably be something to play with after testing the water in a less full on way - such as just getting someone round to undress her, play with her while I am and suck her other tit - and see where that leads - providing she enjoys it.
As far as your wife knowing who's who when blindfolded? Of course she won't know immediately but she'll know soon enough. She'll know your smell and touch. She'll also know the taste and feel of your cock and body.

That would turn me (and I think her on once she's got over the initial gasp that someone else's cock is inside her) hugely

Something you can try is to initially be part of the mix but then quietly bring someone else in. You go sit in a chair and let the other step in. She may be confused a bit (watch for that) but quietly get up and walk over to her. Talk to her and kiss her. Whatever you feel like doing.

Obviously she'd be aware that this is a possibility - but I like the subtle changeover - and I'm sure - if we got to the point of setting up a play session - that she would too! She likes to think she is quite a good girl most of the time, although also really enjoys being naughty - she likes to be able to put most of the blame for that on me!! Which is fine!

First and foremost between the two of you; talk, talk, talk and then talk some more. Make sure you talk about the little green monster. What happens if it makes its presence known? On your part and hers. You need to be prepared for this scenario as, invariably at some time or another, it will show up. Put together a procedure that both of you are willing to follow if it show up. I can't stress how important this is IF you plan on staying with this woman.

Good advice - as above. We haven't yet - at the moment it's a very tentative introduction of the thought of other guys appreciating her and playing with her as she is starting to get aroused after our initial foreplay ... a number of steps to go yet, and we may reach her limits at some point before we ever action this ... hope not though and there are some signs that she would LOVE it once we get over the obvious emotional and other barriers.

Now, if you've really talked about this with your wife and she's just as interested in this as you, then I suggest finding a swinger's group either in your area or in some town not too far away where both of you know nobody. Someplace far enough away where you'll have to get a hotel room for at least a night or two.

I think she'd prefer to do it more privately than that - though I see the obvious advantages of being able to meet a number of interested people and seeing where the chemistry takes us all.

That way you can travel a little bit and then check in. Then go to your party and only do what the two of you want. You probably want to talk, talk, talk about this way before you get to the party. At the party start by getting to know the people. And when I'm at a new group I let my partner pretty much take the lead. Whatever she wants. If she finds some guy she's interested in screwing then go for it. You will be there to make sure the guy is OK and, secondarily, to provide her additional pleasure. While the guy is screwing her you can pull her to the side of a bed so her head is hanging over. She can then give you a really nice blowjob. It will also be interesting for you as you will feel her as the other guy is pounding into her. I'll always remember my first time.

There are a million scenarios. Almost all of them you'll remember for a lifetime. But before you can get there always remember the following: Safe, Sane and Consensual! If you do those three things you can have one hell of a lot of fun. Both of you!

Once again, many thanks for your considered and very helpful response - to me it sounds AMAZING! I hope that it's something we can explore together, but if not the fantasy of it is still completely exciting!

My responses in Green above - thanks again 9876543210!!
Are there any other experiences to share ?

[9876543210]

nakedal,

Originally Posted by nakedal

My responses in Green above - thanks again 9876543210!!
Are there any other experiences to share ?

No problem. Happy to help. And I have lots of other experiences which, hopefully, I'll remember for the rest of my short life. But, at the moment, I really want to help insure you and your wife make the best decision for the two of you.

Again, talk, talk, talk, talk and then talk again (at least if this is a woman you want to stay with). You MUST understand that the little green monster WILL make an appearance at some time in both of you. YOU MUST BE PREPARED FOR IT! So a major focus of your talks should be what both of you will do WHEN the monster appears. Try, the best you can, to imagine scenarios you could wind up in and run them past her (and she should do the same with you). What will her (or your) reaction be? Some for instances.

Lets say your at some party (a swingers party) and this is your first time. Both of you are nervous as heck. You walk in and take your coats off. Your wife is wearing a beautiful negligee that the both of you picked out just for this occasion. She doesn't seem to mind the beach any longer, how about a negligee which leaves little to the imagination and, in fact, promises opportunities not usually available at the beach?

You move on to the kitchen where there are many people you've never met. It's BYOB. Now, if the two of you drink, take nothing more than a single bottle of wine for the both of you. You want to keep your wits about you. Enough said about that.

You then tour the rest of the establishment. Hot tub, sauna, bedrooms, the usual. On your tour you meet some guy who your wife (obviously) is attracted to. The three (or more) of you sit and talk for a while. You can tell your wife is interested. How do you react?

After a little while, the guy (or couple) ask if you want to go sit in the hot tub. You say sure but, naively, say you don't have a swim suit. Well, they say, thats just fine as nobody else does either. So you go into the room with the hot tub and strip. How do you and your wife feel about that?

You climb in the tub guy-girl-guy-girl. You're all talking and you suddenly feel a hand on your cock. And its not your wife's! You look at the woman next to you and she smiles coyly and asks if thats OK? Well, duhhhh. Now you go to put your hand on your wife's privates only to find the guys hand there already! Are you ready for that? You look at your wife and you can tell she's enjoying herself. She's even spread her legs a bit more than normal. You now start playing with one of your wife's breasts as well as the woman's privates on your other side.

I could go on and on but time is limited. So only a few more things to ad. First, in my experience, the reason I think swingers clubs are a good place to start is that all of the people there were first timers also. They know exactly what your going through. And if its a good club with good people they will let you go through the experience at your own pace. They won't force you to do anything you're not ready for.

If you and your wife just want to observe then that should be just fine. Lots of people start that way. Instead of getting in the tub they'll just find a couch and watch. Then move on and maybe watch some porn to get more into the mood. Then move on to an orgy room or maybe even an open bedroom where they can make love to each other while others watch. The sign of a good club is that if someone approaches to become involved you can say no and they will respect that. Very important.

Swingers clubs are pretty darn safe. Which is very important especially when you're first starting. I strongly recommend people starting there because of the safety factor. When you get some experience then you can move on to other opportunities which could be just as rewarding for the both of you.

Hope that helps and let me know if you have any other questions.

[nakedal]

Yes, I understand what you're saying here.

The thing is, while I'm pretty sure I'd be comfortable in seeing her with another guy; I know it would also make me jealous a bit, but that in a way it would be a healthy thing I think, since so far it's been my wife who has been most jealous about me ... so by only getting involved with a guy, it would take away that whole dynamic of her getting jealous and I think would make her feel special and desired, being the complete centre of attention of two guys, including her loved husband. Letting her enjoy herself in this way should, I hope make her feel completely desired.

The most pressing concerns I think are more over her not doing it either because ultimately she may prefer just keeping herself for me and also a desire to be a good girl and not seen as "easy" ...

Broaching the whole subject, beyond its current spicing things up between us, is still something that is "risky" since while she does enjoy being naughty for me, I don't want her to feel that I don't appreciate the way she has always been faithful to me.

We're at the talking about it knowing the idea excites us both to an extent, without really knowing whether the other partner has any real desire in taking it further. I suspect we'll only really know the more we play with the idea - I'm trying to read her reactions to everything. I don't want to throw our relationship away over a fantasy, although would love to see it through - I feel it would be the most exciting thing I've ever done - and I've jumped from planes, visited many naturist beaches with my sexy wife, travelled widely, had mind blowing sex with my woman and had a fun life generally!

The other thing to note, we were both virgins when we first made love and have never played outside of the marriage.

For me it's something I've fantasised about for a few years - but it's been getting stronger recently and she's seeming to enjoy this sort of talk for the first time and occasionally initiates it too which is a thrill!

The problem of going to a Swinger's club is that it introduces the possibility that I might be doing this just to get the opportunity for a free pass to screw other women - while to be quite honest, the thrill of watching her play with another guy of her choosing while I can play with her as part of the same scenario, I truly think would blow my mind - and I really hope it would blow hers too - with some indications recently for perhaps the first time, that she might one day consider it ... That, I can say without doubt is enough for me. If she decided later that it might be fun us getting hooked up with a couple, I wouldn't object! - but it's not my main desire here - I would genuinely enjoy seeing her satisfying herself on another guy and blooming further in her sexual confidence, ideally while I get to play with her too - and we could then talk about it afterwards and relive the experience!

Can you see where I'm coming from? Again I'm very interested in any further perspectives on this ... or even from other people.

[9876543210]

nakedal,

Originally Posted by nakedal

Yes, I understand what you're saying here.

I'm a bit distracted at the moment (there's a Packers-Bears game on) so this may take a little while.

The thing is, while I'm pretty sure I'd be comfortable in seeing her with another guy; I know it would also make me jealous a bit, but that in a way it would be a healthy thing I think, since so far it's been my wife who has been most jealous about me ...

So, from your responses, I think its safe to say this is a woman you want to continue to stay with. Correct?

OK, then a certain amount of jealousy is natural. This woman is someone you've invested a lot into so you don't want to lose her to some activity which may have been best left as a fantasy. Something also to keep in mind. Sometimes, a fantasy is best left as a fantasy.

But too much jealousy is a killer (literally). You need to be able to judge which is which. If the experience is too much, withdraw amicably. Talk about what happened with your wife and decide what to do from there. If you decide you can't proceed then absolutely make sure you do not blame your wife. Both of you are to blame and leave it at that.

And I completely understand this statement:

...so by only getting involved with a guy, it would take away that whole dynamic of her getting jealous and I think would make her feel special and desired, being the complete centre of attention of two guys, including her loved husband. Letting her enjoy herself in this way should, I hope make her feel completely desired.

Another reason I think the swinger's club is the way to start. First, please remember, because of the "Christian upbringing" most of us in the West have had, what we are discussing is viewed as "verboten" by most people. So safety is something to seriously take into consideration when beginning to consider this lifestyle.

Now, I completely agree with, and understand your statement. I absolutely LOVE to watch my lover in the throes of ecstacy. The energy I receive from her is .........incomparable. I can't tell you how many times we've gone to these parties, come home and f#ucked like minks for hours. With her thanking me over and over for the experience. After all, most males would never think of doing something like this. Most women will never experience something like this in a loving and caring environment.

So maybe what you want to talk with your wife about is the idea of you not being with any other women until she says its OK. That would make sure her jealousy isn't a problem and would allow you to keep a close eye on whats happening with her. When, and if, she is finally ready to witness you with another woman, she'll let you know. Remember the hot tub scenario. Maybe start with her holding you as some woman gives you a bj. If you're lucky she'll join in. Just be warned. If she does you will probably lose control quickly. But you'll get better over time.

The most pressing concerns I think are more over her not doing it either because ultimately she may prefer just keeping herself for me and also a desire to be a good girl and not seen as "easy" ...

Again, another reason to start with a swinger's club. The people there should completely understand. For most people this isn't an easy thing. In fact, most people could never do this. The little green monster would be ever present. So those that can do this are, really, somewhat unusual in western society.

At a swingers party, the two of you can choose what you want to do. Again, always keep communication wide open. Start by just getting to know people. Walk around with each other. Comment to each other on what your seeing. Never be afraid to ask questions. Although you may not want to interfere with several couple in the middle of copulating with each other.

Remember, the two of you can choose to do nothing. Or you can choose to do everything. Or anything in between. It will be up to the two of you.

Broaching the whole subject, beyond its current spicing things up between us, is still something that is "risky" since while she does enjoy being naughty for me, I don't want her to feel that I don't appreciate the way she has always been faithful to me.

Well, sounds like the two of you have some work to do. All I can say is to be completely honest with her about everthing. Its the only way to go.

We're at the talking about it knowing the idea excites us both to an extent, without really knowing whether the other partner has any real desire in taking it further.

Well, thats solved simply. Just tell her you're interested in trying it. She'll let you know. And don't be afraid to talk, talk, talk and talk some more.

The problem of going to a Swinger's club is that it introduces the possibility that I might be doing this just to get the opportunity for a free pass to screw other women - while to be quite honest, the thrill of watching her play with another guy of her choosing while I can play with her as part of the same scenario, I truly think would blow my mind - and I really hope it would blow hers too - with some indications recently for perhaps the first time, that she might one day consider it ... That, I can say without doubt is enough for me. If she decided later that it might be fun us getting hooked up with a couple, I wouldn't object! - but it's not my main desire here - I would genuinely enjoy seeing her satisfying herself on another guy and blooming further in her sexual confidence, ideally while I get to play with her too - and we could then talk about it afterwards and relive the experience!

Again, start with you, voluntarily, holding back and agreeing not to be with anyone else until she approves. Problem solved. And don't renege! If you say you will do it, then just do it. Then you can concentrate on her protection and enjoyment. Believe me, if you do this correctly you should have many enjoyable experiences.

And, again, sorry this is a bit disjointed because of the football game.

[nakedal]

Many thanks.

It does make complete sense. There's a long way to go with this I think before we were able to take any steps towards going to a club. I can see what you mean about a club... My main reservation is still the idea that she wouldn't really trust my motives in doing this while meeting a guy we've checked out and get good vibes from in a hotel room away from home wouldn't have that potential distraction. It may all end up being academic but I can certainly say for now that it's adding a little more spice to our lovemaking!

I'll keep you posted

And thanks again! Hope your team won!

[9876543210]

nakedal,

Originally Posted by nakedal

Many thanks.

Hey, no problem.

It does make complete sense. There's a long way to go with this I think before we were able to take any steps towards going to a club.

Over the years I've probably done this in almost every way possible. Almost all of the experiences were good, none were bad, but some were just ........... whats the term?.......... blah.

From an experiential standpoint I really recommend the swing club for several reasons.

1. You can go at your own pace. You can do something or you can do nothing. Its your choice.
2. You should have a lot of people around to talk to (your wife will probably really like this) who have a lot of experience and will be willing to offer their wisdom. This could be especially helpful to your wife as she will meet a lot of women who are very open about their sexuality. I'm sure, at the moment, she is laboring under some very archaic notions of womens attitudes towards their own sexuality. In fact, for your very first party, this may be your best goal. Not a goal of you or she having any kind of sex, but a goal of you and her (especially her) getting to know people in the lifestyle. Good way to alleviate at least some of her nervousness.
3. Safety. At a club everyone knows pretty much what to expect and what the rules are. Generally, no means no. Simple. Outside of a club, say at a bar, there really are no rules with some people. Now, I've never had a problem. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe its because I'm 6'4" and not a flyweight. So not many people are going to mess with me. But it really doesn't matter.

What matters is that you want your experiences to be positive. A swing club is pretty darn good for that.

I can see what you mean about a club... My main reservation is still the idea that she wouldn't really trust my motives in doing this while meeting a guy we've checked out and get good vibes from in a hotel room away from home wouldn't have that potential distraction. It may all end up being academic but I can certainly say for now that it's adding a little more spice to our lovemaking!

I'll keep you posted

Well, all I can say in this discussion is that there can be no dishonesty. If there is you might as well say bye-bye to the relationship. Just tell her you won't be with anyone else until she feels comfortable and then keep to your word.

And thanks again! Hope your team won!

No problem. Happy to help. And yes, my team virtually annihilated our biggest rivals. Happy day!

[nakedal]

Fantastic... I follow the Steelers so enough said about their game! I'll talk about swinging and watching my wife screwing another guy till the cows come home... Just let's avoid the Steelers Jets game.

Keep having fun... As will we and I'll let you know if we make any progress! Thanks again.

Al

[old alal]

nakedal, A couple of thoughts if I may.

1) listen to 9876543210 he really knows what he is talking about on this subject and definitely talk, talk, and talk again.

2) Going back a while, when I first got together with Mrs alal, I used to go to rugby club stripper nights, where after the female bar staff went home and the hat went round, the girls shall we say got a bit raunchy. I always told Mrs alal where I was going and what was likely to happen, just in case I came home covered in Baby Oil or Talc. Afterwards she would ask me what happened, we would watch an adult video and have great sex. She was clearly turned on by my activity, although I didn't get up to anything really.

We went away a lot to European Cities, for weekend breaks, and she suggested Amsterdam. She also suggested the red light area when we got there and after hearing the touts trying to get punters into their live sex shows, also suggested we attend one. We did and after a couple of couples as it were, one of the girls was looking for audience participation. She came and sat on my knee, kissed me passionately, put her hand in my crotch and then leaned towards Mrs alal, and put her hand on one of her breasts. Mrs alal moved her face away, but moved the girls hand back to my cock, and lifted one of her breasts into my face, for me to kiss. We didn't go any further, but while one sad audience member failed to use his erm member properly, she suggested we go back to the hotel where she said she would "fuck my brains out" She told me while we were busy, that she noticed my hardness after the girl had gone back to the stage, and I explained that it was because she had put the girls hand there.

This type of activity, got both of us horny and also talking, and we agreed what "our" limits were going forward. We have never pushed them.

I am not sure where you live, or weather there are these type of clubs nearby, but try them out together to see each others reactions.

Take care and enjoy whatever you do none of us live long enough to have regrets. RIP erdnus

[nakedal]

Thanks a lot for the advice and the story, Al. Off to work in a minute, so I won't respond properly till later.. Watch this space!

[9876543210]

old alal,

Originally Posted by old alal

nakedal, A couple of thoughts if I may.

1) listen to 9876543210 he really knows what he is talking about on this subject and definitely talk, talk, and talk again.

Wow, thanks again.

...and after hearing the touts trying to get punters into their live sex shows, also suggested we attend one.

Sorry, just wondering what "touts" and "punters" are? I think touts are probably the guys (or girls) standing out front trying to get people to enter. And the "punters" are the people who do enter.

I've never heard of the term "touts" before but "punters" here in the US are American football players who "punt" the football to the other team on fourth down.

We did and after a couple of couples as it were, one of the girls was looking for audience participation. She came and sat on my knee, kissed me passionately, put her hand in my crotch and then leaned towards Mrs alal, and put her hand on one of her breasts. Mrs alal moved her face away, but moved the girls hand back to my cock, and lifted one of her breasts into my face, for me to kiss. We didn't go any further, but while one sad audience member failed to use his erm member properly, she suggested we go back to the hotel where she said she would "fuck my brains out" She told me while we were busy, that she noticed my hardness after the girl had gone back to the stage, and I explained that it was because she had put the girls hand there.

Just wondering if your wife has any bi-sexual tendencies? Just love to watch those encounters. Especially when, after a while, I get to join in. Hot, oh so hot!

This type of activity, got both of us horny and also talking, and we agreed what "our" limits were going forward. We have never pushed them.

Agree 100%! Virtually every time I've been involved in a successful "rendezvous" with another couple the girlfriend and I have had unbelievable sex after we get home. Probably because of what we've just done. I really can't explain it (to most people it wouldn't make sense) but there is just something about watching and/or being involved with your woman when she's "in the throes".

One of my favorite times was when a girlfriend and I had been going to a few parties but neither of us were really experienced. Don't remember exactly how it happened (as it was quite a few years ago) but she wanted to be with a couple of guys but watch me while I watched her (sounds weird but I swear thats what she wanted). We talked to a guy at the party who she had been with before and he quickly found another guy who was interested. The three of us went into a small room and they started playing with her. I sat in a chair a few feet away.

As I said, I don't remember exactly how things happened but I know she blew both of them and both of them screwed her (taking turns). And the neat thing? She almost never took her eyes off of me. The only times she did was when she was in the midst of an O or when one of the guys dicks was down her throat while lying on her back with the other guy fucking her. Again, hot, so hot!

I really , really, really didn't want to come but, after a little while, she looked at me and motioned me over. She took my dick in her hand while being fucked and having a dick down her throat. It was too much for me and I came quickly.

As I remember, we left the party not long after that. Talked all the way home and screwed like rabbits until the sun came up. Hot, oh so hot!

I am not sure where you live, or weather there are these type of clubs nearby, but try them out together to see each others reactions.

Take care and enjoy whatever you do none of us live long enough to have regrets. RIP erdnus

I don't know where nakedal lives either but those types of places (Amsterdam brothels) aren't legally available here in the US. Except for a few counties in Nevada. I'd also recommend them if available but thats just not the case in many places.

Oh, and do like the story with your wife. Good woman.