Which are the most violent films you've ever seen - Page 2

retro72 · 07-03-2009, 04:53 PM

I think films that portray realistic violence are the ones that have the most effect. Seeing Arnie mow down an entire army with a machine gun is less violent to me than a scene where a character is brutally stabbed for example. One is just unbelievable over the top cartoon style violence and the other is a much more "intimate" encounter with it.

For that reason I would say that the brutal violence in Martyrs is highly disturbing, as is the horiffic killing of the heroine in Wolf creek. Empathy for characters and their plight makes the violence all the more chilling if and when it happens to them

kinkylube · 07-03-2009, 05:27 PM

Irréversible by Gaspar Noé, where this poor sod gets his face hammered in by a fire extinguisher.

**Leprechaun** · 07-03-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by retro72

I think films that portray realistic violence are the ones that have the most effect. Seeing Arnie mow down an entire army with a machine gun is less violent to me than a scene where a character is brutally stabbed for example. One is just unbelievable over the top cartoon style violence and the other is a much more "intimate" encounter with it.

IMHO one of the most disturbing movie scenes is the opening sequence to Saving Private Ryan.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDCrMVtVI0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXdloTr2iw

retro72 · 07-04-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Leprechaun

IMHO one of the most disturbing movie scenes is the opening sequence to Saving Private Ryan.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDCrMVtVI0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXdloTr2iw

Absolutely. I remember seeing this at the cinema and the opening half hour just sticks you to your chair. I can still vividly remember the bit where some of the soldiers are throwing up before the actual fighting which was powerful before any of the guns go off. I'm sure I'd have done the same (And probably my trousers would be soiled to boot) if I were in such a horiffic position. A true depiction of the horrors of war.

**scoundrel** · 07-04-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Leprechaun

IMHO one of the most disturbing movie scenes is the opening sequence to Saving Private Ryan.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDCrMVtVI0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXdloTr2iw

I don't think I have ever seen a starker portrayal of battle on such a scale: the carnage and sheer randomness of death made my blood run colder. Most of the GI's were killed by vector fire, not personally aimed, but sweeping death scientifically back and forth across a killing zone.

I watched that sequence and one of my strangest reactions was a deep pity for the Germans as well. They fought bravely and stuck to their guns, 200 men against 20,000, exactly as I would expect British or American boys to fight in the same place. They were on the wrong side but couldn't be expected to know that. However they must have known that, after all the damage they did, they could expect no mercy and they received almost none. The GI's mostly butchered them as they tried to surrender, (''What does bitte, bitte mean?'') and how could it have been otherwise in those circumstances? I think its remarkable, and speaks well of the American Army, that 32 POWs were taken, nearly all severely wounded: the GI's drew the line at bayoneting helpless men, possibly their blood had cooled just enough, and they did take pity on men in awful distress, even the enemy. After seeing Saving Private Ryan I realise how generous this was.

**Mal Hombre** · 07-04-2009, 10:32 AM

This is what British soldiers referred to as "Too late, mate",in the First world war and probably in the second.

**scoundrel** · 07-04-2009, 12:50 PM

The distinction between violence in the line of duty, violence in retaliation for violence, and violence as a criminal tool, or as an expression of pointless malevolence is well worth making. I personally suspect that everyone, man or woman, can kill if driven to it or if we honestly think it is our plain duty: its in our DNA.

As a small footnote I would argue that the German garrison on Omaha Beach were rather tragic figures, hung out to dry by their own side. They fought bravely for their country, not necessarily for their beliefs, same as our soldiers would have done. I'm not surprised they mostly got killed: I am a little bit surprised that the GI's didn't bayonet the wounded, which shows their basic decency as men and professionalism as soldiers after the meatgrinder they had just survived. You could argue that the Germans got off lightly in that the GIs didn't wipe the lot of them out. Soldiers don't deserve to be massacred for fighting as well as they can, but it happens all the time.

Albert Mudat · 07-04-2009, 01:42 PM

OT but don't forget what you in Private Ryan is at 95% historically false.
Spielberg had a political agenda, he didn't much care for truth.

**MaxJoker** · 07-04-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

They fought bravely for their country, not necessarily for their beliefs, same as our soldiers would have done. I'm not surprised they mostly got killed: I am a little bit surprised that the GI's didn't bayonet the wounded, which shows their basic decency as men and professionalism as soldiers after the meatgrinder they had just survived. You could argue that the Germans got off lightly in that the GIs didn't wipe the lot of them out. Soldiers don't deserve to be massacred for fighting as well as they can, but it happens all the time.

Also as an uninteresting aside , a great many "Fortress wall" defensive troops were hapless conscripts a large percentage of which who weren`t even ethnically German. Aarrrggh god it`d be so cool if we could somehow have real discussions on here about such things , you know past wars and the like . As actually a great many on here who contribute have something to say and also it`s something well worth reading. But as we know unfortunately even more on here have nothing to say ,and man don`t they say it loudly and indiscriminately. They`re the reason we can`t go down certain tracks , and apropos of nothing ,why the comments on youtube are never worth glancing at

**scoundrel** · 07-05-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenSkull

Also as an uninteresting aside , a great many "Fortress wall" defensive troops were hapless conscripts a large percentage of which who weren`t even ethnically German. Aarrrggh god it`d be so cool if we could somehow have real discussions on here about such things , you know past wars and the like . As actually a great many on here who contribute have something to say and also it`s something well worth reading. But as we know unfortunately even more on here have nothing to say ,and man don`t they say it loudly and indiscriminately. They`re the reason we can`t go down certain tracks , and apropos of nothing ,why the comments on youtube are never worth glancing at

I know its off topic but on another thread I had a discussion over whether or not it was legitimate to mock the religious rulers of Iran who are so blatantly oppressing their own people. I said ''Hell yes'' and would have liked, in support of my argument, to have posted a link to the famous Pathe News parody of Hitler's Nuremberg rally, in which the movements of Adolf and his stormtroopers are choriographed with The Lambeth Walk.

But the adjacent comments and videos on youtube are too offensive for human words to describe. That corner of the web is a shrine to Hitler, Nazism, holocaust denial and aggressive shrieks to the effect that the death camps didn't happen but ought to have happened. I'm a peaceable man most of the time, but after seeing those comments I regard WW2 as unfinished business until the posters of this filth are shot dead or surrender unconditionally to justice. I'll do the shooting if no-one else wants to.

Sorry GS. I should have posted that on Things You Don't Like.

07-03-2009, 04:53 PM	#11
retro72 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Weirdsville Posts: 435 Thanks: 3,024 Thanked 4,480 Times in 540 Posts	I think films that portray realistic violence are the ones that have the most effect. Seeing Arnie mow down an entire army with a machine gun is less violent to me than a scene where a character is brutally stabbed for example. One is just unbelievable over the top cartoon style violence and the other is a much more "intimate" encounter with it. For that reason I would say that the brutal violence in Martyrs is highly disturbing, as is the horiffic killing of the heroine in Wolf creek. Empathy for characters and their plight makes the violence all the more chilling if and when it happens to them __________________ "Either these curtains go or I do" Oscar Wilde on deathbed

07-04-2009, 10:32 AM	#16
Mal Hombre El Moderador Join Date: May 2009 Location: deepest Hampshire Posts: 12,071 Thanks: 140,287 Thanked 130,959 Times in 12,953 Posts	This is what British soldiers referred to as "Too late, mate",in the First world war and probably in the second. __________________ The Rules The nakedness of woman is the work of God-William Blake It is a porn site,But it's a Classy porn site. Mal Hombre

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scoundrel Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 6,151 Thanks: 66,716 Thanked 62,350 Times in 7,187 Posts	The distinction between violence in the line of duty, violence in retaliation for violence, and violence as a criminal tool, or as an expression of pointless malevolence is well worth making. I personally suspect that everyone, man or woman, can kill if driven to it or if we honestly think it is our plain duty: its in our DNA. As a small footnote I would argue that the German garrison on Omaha Beach were rather tragic figures, hung out to dry by their own side. They fought bravely for their country, not necessarily for their beliefs, same as our soldiers would have done. I'm not surprised they mostly got killed: I am a little bit surprised that the GI's didn't bayonet the wounded, which shows their basic decency as men and professionalism as soldiers after the meatgrinder they had just survived. You could argue that the Germans got off lightly in that the GIs didn't wipe the lot of them out. Soldiers don't deserve to be massacred for fighting as well as they can, but it happens all the time. __________________ A ship in harbour is perfectly safe. But that's not what ships are for.

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07-03-2009, 05:27 PM	#12
kinkylube Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5 Thanks: 52 Thanked 53 Times in 6 Posts	Irréversible by Gaspar Noé, where this poor sod gets his face hammered in by a fire extinguisher.

07-04-2009, 01:42 PM	#18
Albert Mudat Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 238 Thanks: 7,041 Thanked 1,399 Times in 378 Posts	OT but don't forget what you in Private Ryan is at 95% historically false. Spielberg had a political agenda, he didn't much care for truth.