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Old 05-11-2012, 12:12 AM   #10601
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At least the members from the British Isles have a cultural background for learning Shakespeare. Some of the terminology and language may sound familiar although a bit dated. Try being a couple of generations removed and an ocean away like I was when they tried to get us to learn his works. Plus we were only 10-12 years old and this stuff was way over our heads. Which leads me to my point. Our literature class followed our religious studies and the language in the bible can be a bit archaic. So our teacher reads us a passage from one of the plays and asked us if we recognized the writer. The student sitting behind me raised his hand and, in all seriousness, asked "Did he write the Bible." The teacher cracked up laughing but more than a few students were nodding in agreement. And that's been my take on Shakespeare ever since, great writer just a little hard to understand.

No one asked but my favorite writer is Dan Simmons.
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Was watching a weird bodies type program on TV. First bit a bloke was producing milk from his moobs-oh dear. Next a man who became a woman. I had never seen the results of the surgery. Bloody hell! no wonder blokes get caught out. It looked like a real pussy to me. The face is not feminine enough, but beer googles change that
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:42 AM   #10603
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Hah! Northerners can understand Will's work as well as anybody. Just need a proper education that's all.

Shakespeare and Tyndale (the man who oversaw the translation of the bible) were contemporaries and produced some of the most beautiful literature ever written.
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I should add that much of those works form the glue that held together the British over several centuries and most certainly since the Education acts of the 1880's.

George Orwell in one of his essays points out the importance of the language and how the British culture is one of the written word rather than art or music.
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200 years ago today a bankrupt madman shot and killed the British Prime Minister Mr Spencer Perceval.
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George Orwell in one of his essays points out the importance of the language and how the British culture is one of the written word rather than art or music.
Well, he would, wouldn't he! If he'd been an artist or a composer, I guess he might have seen things in a slightly different light!
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...George Orwell in one of his essays points out the importance of the language and how the British culture is one of the written word rather than art or music.
Britain does have art and some music, it just isn't so well known. The art is much better than the music, imho
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Perhaps we need a "language" thread!

Have "standards" fallen?
What's the relevance of (eg) Shakespearean language in today's society?
What defines "good" or "bad" in terms of the written or spoken word?
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Britain does have art and some music, it just isn't so well known. The art is much better than the music, imho
British music is known all over the world.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:32 AM   #10610
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Having left (Secondary school) with..nothing, I have to admit that as a youth Shakespeare had absolutely no appeal for me at all. The only books I remember reading at that time was, Chopper, Hells angels and Skinhead.
It wasn't until I started working at the Theatre Royal in York that I basically became aware of his existence! I found out that I was entitled to free tickets for the performances (If they weren't fully booked) and by this time I realised that I had better educate myself..for free.
I ended up watching quite a few Shakespeare plays on my own and really getting into them. to be sure, you have to listen and decipher the language and it makes one's brain hurt a lot, but I really started to dig that crazy sh*t, man.

My personal favourite is Richard the III. I just love the treachery, the deceit, lying, monstrous murderous ambition of Dick the sh*t even though he was from around these parts. (Lived in Sheriff Hutton in a big f**k off castle)
Shakespeare did a hatchet job on Richard because old Will was writing for the Tudors and Richard was a Plantagenet. He lived in very dangerous times.
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