max hardcore thread delete or not?

[the_knicker_inspector]

Originally Posted by monogroover

Sorry, but in my view that's an idealist, utopian pipedream that is simply not viable or realistic. Pragmatically, there do have to be boundaries. I'm sure that you disapprove of child pornography, for example. I know that disapproving and disallowing are critically different things, but don't you feel that it's better that some kinds of expression are subject to both?

In any case what Max does that attracts disapproval isn't "expression"; not really. It's a particular kind of entertainment that some people get off on, that he provides to make money. Nobody's stifling his opinion, or his right to a point of view.

I would legislate against child abuse but I prefer no line to be drawn between what is legally acceptable for citizens to view and what is not. How do we clearly draw that line to include all (or anything) that we consider counterproductive to human society without opening the floodgates to its abuse and the repression of good? Who would we have draw that line? Someone who claims superior judgment because "God" is on his side, for example (the Pope, an Islamic leader?) Someone who can buy the support of sufficient individuals and arm them (Col. Gaddafi) and therefore can speak with the authority of might-is-right? billybunter, because he writes with the authority of someone who professes to know what normal people think? You? Me? In my opinion censorship is an insidious principle and a greater "sin" against society than any ill-effects of free expression. Don't take freedom for granted. It was not long ago that the UK government was floating the idea of indefinitely imprisoning citizens who were considered likely to commit offences (before they had already done so) by virtue of their personality type. Consider this idea in combination with the fact that some prisoners are denied the right to vote (including to vote out the Government that is imprisoning them).

The disapproval by some of the images and video produced by Max Hardcore and my disapproval of the acts he performs is interesting and I may expand on it when I have more time!

[billybunter]

Originally Posted by the_knicker_inspector

I would legislate against child abuse but I prefer no line to be drawn between what is legally acceptable for citizens to view and what is not. How do we clearly draw that line to include all (or anything) that we consider counterproductive to human society without opening the floodgates to its abuse and the repression of good? Who would we have draw that line? Someone who claims superior judgment because "God" is on his side, for example (the Pope, an Islamic leader?) Someone who can buy the support of sufficient individuals and arm them (Col. Gaddafi) and therefore can speak with the authority of might-is-right? billybunter, because he writes with the authority of someone who professes to know what normal people think? You? Me? In my opinion censorship is an insidious principle and a greater "sin" against society than any ill-effects of free expression. Don't take freedom for granted. It was not long ago that the UK government was floating the idea of indefinitely imprisoning citizens who were considered likely to commit offences (before they had already done so) by virtue of their personality type. Consider this idea in combination with the fact that some prisoners are denied the right to vote (including to vote out the Government that is imprisoning them).

The disapproval by some of the images and video produced by Max Hardcore and my disapproval of the acts he performs is interesting and I may expand on it when I have more time!

I don't profess what anyone thinks. I was taught what was right and wrong. Child porn is wrong. Censorship. Well I think some things need to be censored. If you think Max is OK fair play. If he ventures into BB's neigbourhood he will need walking sticks, because I find his stuff offencive.

[the_knicker_inspector]

Originally Posted by billybunter

I don't profess [to know] what anyone thinks.

billybunter, earlier: "Max crossed a threshold that normal human beings find sick."

[John C. Holmes]

The scary thing is that Max looks like a choirboy when you hear all the stories of how pimps/agents treat the girls in the industry now. I've read reports of the new breed of "agents" beating the crap out of girls if they don't work ex amount of scenes per week. (Donny Long, Spiegler and Scooby being by far the worst offenders by most accounts.) Hell, Max would be right at home in the industry the way it exists today.

[billybunter]

Originally Posted by the_knicker_inspector

billybunter, earlier: "Max crossed a threshold that normal human beings find sick."

Thank you head master for correcting my grammar. I will write 5000 lines using 5 pens.

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

It's not your grammar that's being corrected it's your reasoning. You can't really purport to claim that you don't profess to know what anyone thinks while doing just that previously.

Have courage in your conviction. If as you stated Max crossed a threshold that normal human beings find sick then let's consider that; perhaps not just the Max Hardcore thread but also people who find his brand of porn acceptable should be given short shrift and even banned on this forum? Would Max be creating this product if there were no audience for it? What do we make of that audience?

Isn't it a question of degrees? To some the idea of performers being filmed being forcibly gagged and vomited on is degrading and 'sick'? But, similarly, models posing naked in photoshoots to many 'normal human beings' is degrading and 'sick' too. What makes one person 'sick'? Another person 'a connoisseur of female beauty'? And another uptight and prudish?

It's all subjective, isn't it? Surely, it all comes down to what's legal and then what your limits are (within the law)? Boycott the porn you don't like, by all means, which is an easy thing to do, you just don't click on that link or pay for that subscription but just as you're judging the person that does enjoy the brand of porn you don't like, somebody else is judging you for the porn you do like.

[dohupa]

Originally Posted by Norman Stanley Fletcher

Would Max be creating this product if there were no audience for it? What do we make of that audience?

There is a huge market for beastiality as well. You reckon VEF should cater to the needs of the zoo crowd also?

[billybunter]

Originally Posted by Norman Stanley Fletcher

It's not your grammar that's being corrected it's your reasoning. You can't really purport to claim that you don't profess to know what anyone thinks while doing just that previously.

Have courage in your conviction. If as you stated Max crossed a threshold that normal human beings find sick then let's consider that; perhaps not just the Max Hardcore thread but also people who find his brand of porn acceptable should be given short shrift and even banned on this forum? Would Max be creating this product if there were no audience for it? What do we make of that audience?

Isn't it a question of degrees? To some the idea of performers being filmed being forcibly gagged and vomited on is degrading and 'sick'? But, similarly, models posing naked in photoshoots to many 'normal human beings' is degrading and 'sick' too. What makes one person 'sick'? Another person 'a connoisseur of female beauty'? And another uptight and prudish?

It's all subjective, isn't it? Surely, it all comes down to what's legal and then what your limits are (within the law)? Boycott the porn you don't like, by all means, which is an easy thing to do, you just don't click on that link or pay for that subscription but just as you're judging the person that does enjoy the brand of porn you don't like, somebody else is judging you for the porn you do like.

I was trying to be sarcastic. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. If you want a written apology send me a pm. I have been a member here for a while. And I don't go out off my way to offend anyone.

[the_knicker_inspector]

Originally Posted by billybunter

I was trying to be sarcastic. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. If you want a written apology send me a pm. I have been a member here for a while. And I don't go out off my way to offend anyone.

In my opinion sarcasm ("the use of irony to mock or convey contempt") doesn't add much to an argument but I haven't taken personal offence.

[billybunter]

Originally Posted by the_knicker_inspector

In my opinion sarcasm ("the use of irony to mock or convey contempt") doesn't add much to an argument but I haven't taken personal offence.

I display contempt. And irony. But I never argue.