max hardcore thread delete or not?

[dohupa]

Originally Posted by mynxfan

From my European perspective i find it odd that Max Hardcore is sentenced to 46 months in prison for producing/distributing pornography (he has not raped, killed or beaten anyone), when it is legal and morally accepted to chop off a piece of the penis of an underage child. Recently the American authorities even tried to send John Stagliano (Buttman) to jail for distributing porn.

Don't think we crossed paths before here in the GD&N - however I disagree strongly although I'm leftish and as liberal as anyone can get. MH should do more time in the slammer actually as a primary example of what us civilized societies are willing to accept or not.

Don't quite follow your penis example though I think you're missing the point of media icon cultures. MH is penalized for glorifying violence and abuse - not a specific act or incident. At least I would hope this is where the judge based his/her case to reach a verdict.

[chupachups]

What do people think about rocco ?

He seems to be doing more abusive material in his later career. Certainly I've seen him spitting on girls and slapping them around a bit as well as gagging, although to be fair, its not even in the same ball park as MH

Personally I would put rocco in the next cell to MH. In comparison buttman is quite tame (a good thing). In the movies I have seen, he seems to be soft spoken and even polite to the girls. I guess the US authorities want to get him purely because he is a pornographer so morally corrupting, and not because he is physically abusive

[dohupa]

Originally Posted by mynxfan

Depiciting violence and abuse is not illegal in the US, ever heard of Hollywood action movies :-) Would you also like to put Arnold Schwarzenegger and Steven Spielberg in the slammer :-)

My point with compairing Max Hardcore and doctors who circumsise baby boys is that everything Max did involved consenting adults. Max was convicted for selling obscene movies, not for rape, murder or any other violent crime. The circumsized children cant and have not given their consent. If Max had sold movies depicting circumsision of non consenting children it would probably have been legal in the US, and I find that a bit odd.

Would you also like to see Rocco Siffredi, John Stagliano, Ron Jeremy and John Leslie in jail for producing/distributing obscene dvds? Following your logics Max would also have been convicted for painting pictures or writing novels with the same theme as his movies?

Some people would like to put adult couples in jail if they practise perverted sex involving urine, puke, anal sex or even oral sex. Others can accept their actions as long as they dont sell movies, photos or novels depicting their lifestyle. What is your opinion?

Nice point throwing in Hollywood's violence in the same basket as MH's acts; I'm sure his solicitor used the same tricks at some point or another during trial.

Remember that old TV catchphrase 'Just the facts ma'm - just the facts'. Generalization is a prolific idea - politicians use it every day in all panels on all networks around the globe. Answering tough questions is a dangerous game - so they reproduce their agenda like a bloody VHS tape and never answer the question.

In other words - what's oral sex or Rocco Siffredi has to do with anything? Stay on topic, please... All I said as far as MH is that it's good riddance - you like to see him out... sooner?

Love your other point - consent. Thousands of women from Eastern European countries are entertaining the hungry Western man with the fat wallet as we speak. Yeah they are consenting. Do they have a choice? Ever been in Ukraine?

You find it comfortable watching a poor soul that wants to make some porn money to be physically and mentally abused by a dirty old bastard?

/edit:
Won't comment on your last paragraph buddy - I think you're confusing me with Mary Whitehouse or something.

Check out my posts in the classic movies section - there's no bigger porn lover in the whole Southern Europe than I am.

[scoundrel]

Lets keep it polite, gentlemen. Mynxfan is in a bit of a minority here. I don't agree with him either but he's still allowed to have his views. But we are allowed to challenge these views. All of us will do this courteously and no harm will be done.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by mynxfan

If the women in Roccos movies are consenting adults, I do not want him to be sent to jail for producing or spreading those movies. But I am probably the only one here that thinks so, considering how blood thirsty people generally are. Dont you people like the idea of freedom of expression :-)

All freedoms are open to abuse aren't they? I reckon Max Hardcore abused his freedom of expression in order to victimise women. In doing so he opened a door for anti-pornography campaigners to walk through and for this reason he is very disliked by others in the industry. Freedoms which are abused are liable to get curtailed. I actually like freedom of expression as long as it is limited by an embargo on harming others when you freely express yourself. Max IMHO is very harmful to many women and I make no apologies; I wish him nothing but ceaseless misfortune. There: I've used my freedom of expression.

[dohupa]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

All freedoms are open to abuse aren't they? I reckon Max Hardcore abused his freedom of expression in order to victimise women. In doing so he opened a door for anti-pornography campaigners to walk through and for this reason he is very disliked by others in the industry. Freedoms which are abused are liable to get curtailed.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by mynxfan

@dohupa:
I have downloaded gigabytes after gigabytes of your stuff, I know that you are cool :-) Dont worry, this is nothing personal, it is only me trying to advocate free speech.

Let me narrow my previous questions down to one: Following your logics Max would also have been convicted for painting pictures or writing novels with the same theme as his movies?

I'm glad you're acknowledging I'm cool.

Far as your question - I don't know. I ain't a judge let alone a solicitor; I am an engineer. However with my humble logic I'd say pictures and especially novels have minor impact in the era of the Internet and smartphones where students sends vids to each other via Bluetooth.

I mean - video imaging as we all know from television can have a tremendous effect manipulating the vote of the public in an election, right? Having said that, a judge and the law in general for that matter must take into account not only violation of law as far as pictures & novels are concerned - but also the concept of precedent.

So, the answer is - I don't know.

[meegan01]

Max and Rocco (all balls and no beef) represent everything I find vile about modern porn, hence why I like VEF.

[TripleM]

Originally Posted by mynxfan

Yes, most Americans are circumcised. Most European males have foreskins. Americans use spit or/and puke as natural lube if they have met a horny woman and are out of baby oil :-) It is cultural difference between Europe and America. Millions of Americans combines sex and puking, and this deed was commercially exploited by Max Hardcore. Selling bibles was not what made him a rích man.

I guess I've never seen the puke thing before. I've seen plenty of spitting which I think is sick enough. But puking??? That's pretty sick. I'd rather just keep some baby oil, lotion or a tube of KY handy.

[freeman303]

I've seen his show and think he's very amusing !

[the real McCoy]

I have heard that the saliva/spit is thicker deep down in a woman throat or in the back of her mouth, and is considered better lubrication than the thin spit around her tung.

Okay ...
To all the young fellas out there read on, because when you meet your first woman this might save you some grief.

If she vomits, screams or bleeds you are doing something wrong and in the western world you will probably end up in jail. Most certainly you will have plenty of opportunity practising your bj skills.

The mouth is the beginning of the food canal. The end is what you are sitting on. In this respect women and men are created equal. Womens mouth is not designed with blowjobs in mind. There are no secret glands, that has to be provoked in order to achieve the perfect blowjob, ( whatever that is ). That is an act of free will. Which vomiting is not.

The mouth is made for chewing food stuff into smaller pieces. If something is too big or takes the wrong way when you swallow, then a safety mechanism kicks in. The cough.
It protects the airway, because oxygen is essential for the brain. The airway also begins in the mouth, however it ends in a completely different location, the alveoli. The lungs are not there as mucus reservoirs just in case of some blowjob emergency.

The supply of mucus is usually limited, unless you have some disease such as pneumonia or are a heavy smoker. The disposal of this mucus, commonly referred as coughing is not considered sexy or part of a blowjob invitation. People who cough a lot, tend to sit alone when travelling by public transportation.

If you put your finger in your mouth, you will most likely provoke vomiting. Vomit is acid and not a very good lubricant. It will also make you feel sick and weak. Nobody will feel sexy enough to continue a blowjob. Unless they have some written contract of course. Then it is mandatory.

Max H pleasure is the displeasure of women. It is obvious.
Max was not sent to jail for producing obscene stuff or using his right of free speech.
He is in jail because he distributed the obscene stuff through the US mail, which is illegal in certain states in the US.
But we all know the reason why he was prosecuted. The end of this mans food canal actually ends in his brain.
I'd say that 1% of the male population have this unfortunate disease.

Enough anatomy.
/trm