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June 23rd, 2018, 03:24 AM | #1691 | |
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That's what the polls say, but it is important to remember that Republicans and Trump voters in particular are a minority. The Democrats always have to work hard to get out the vote and mistreating children is an issue that resonates with voters. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...lly-unpopular/ Most voters won't realize that the tent cities are housing teen boys arriving alone. Expect lots of pictures and sounds of crying kids in the pre-November ads. And how soon are Chinese and European targeted trade retaliations going to start hurting Midwestern voters? https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/w...-1258464835555 https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...r-trump-voters The senate votes to impeach Trump aren't there and he keeps handing the Dems new ammunition to attack GOP congressmen. Voters increasingly are not with him. Are you aware that Nixon had nearly 40% of the voters with him even after he resigned? You can't survive losing the 20% swing voters in the middle. https://www.vox.com/2018/6/22/174924...ixon-watergate But if I were betting money, I would bet that Trump is still around in 2020. He is the best thing to happen to the Democratic party since Herbert Hoover. |
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Sure he'll be there in 2020. And maybe even 2024. Never underestimate the Democrats capacity to fuck up a sure thing. Trump will never lose his base. He's the anti-Obama. What Obama was to liberals and progressives, Trump is to bigots and regressives. Where Obama said "Yes, We Can!" Trump says "No, You Can't!". |
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June 23rd, 2018, 05:53 AM | #1693 |
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Then there is this that the media took and distorted to push their own agenda:
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/62261...ed-from-mother Obama did the same thing when he was President: separating children and parents that were caught entering the USA illegally. But no one said anything back then: not one whimper from the liberal media. |
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June 23rd, 2018, 10:42 AM | #1694 |
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This child migrant story will fade into the background, provided Mr Trump does not welch on his commitment to keep illegal immigrant families in detention together. He has done so many other heinous things, but most people have memories like goldfish and only attend to the latest story.
Like it or not, Mr Trump has a better popularity rating than President Obama had at the same point in his first term. Meanwhile I can see nothing showing from the Democrats which could conceivably be described as inspiring. No positive messages, no coherent alternative agenda, nothing which opponents of Mr Trump could rally behind. I would definitely put my money on Donald Trump for 2020 if I were betting today.
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Knowing this the magazine still used the image of the girl as if she had been separated from her mother by evil Trump, and to re-inforce that idea they mashed it up with a photo of evil Trump, a specific photo that makes evil Trump seem to be looking at the girl. The situation is exactly the same that occurs during a criminal trial when either prosecution or defence say something they know to be false/not quite true and knowing that the judge will probably tell the jury to ignore it but also knowing that it will stay in the minds of the jury.
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June 23rd, 2018, 07:30 PM | #1697 | |
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I see your point. But it is not intended to portray an actual situation, think of it as a cartoon or a visual editorial, using photo's and juxtaposition. I assume the choice for red as the background is an accusing finger to the republicans? (i'm not following this thing closely so i might be wrong on details). I admit i am more interested in the "artistic" side than the political side of this cover illustration Quote:
Certainly. It happens all the time though, on both sides. I should say on many sides |
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June 24th, 2018, 12:15 AM | #1698 | |
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I really do wish that folks would get their facts straight and stop claiming that Obama was given a pass by the immigrants rights advocates. Here is a small sample of articles written during the Obama administration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.c863999b60a1 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...n_6188450.html https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...s-obama-217378 https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/29/u...migration.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/nati...266504061.html https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...trayal/379839/ And here is more recent liberal beating on Obama for his immigration policies. https://mashable.com/2018/06/20/obam.../#yvV_WxLxbkq4 http://www.businessinsider.com/us-hi...h-trump-2018-6 I don't know which drugs Kelly, Nielsen, and Sessions were taking when they decided on the policy change. For one thing it is way more expensive. (Sessions is going out of his way to create government contracts for the private prison crowd. Why? He is obviously in their pocket, but how is he getting paid?) Secondly, this shit storm around "toddlers in cages" was entirely predictable. Trump didn't pull this tactic out of thin air. If one didn't know better, it might be thought that General Kelly is trying to sabotage the GOP in the November 2018 midterm elections. But Sessions should have known better. Perhaps being from Alabama where blatant racial discrimination is alive and well blinded him to how this policy was going to play in the national media. We in the blue states like to practice our racism covertly and use our hypocrisy to delude ourselves. Border separations are a perfect outrage generator to allow us to continue to squash affordable housing projects while feeling morally superior to the red states. Smart politicians know these things, but we seem to have forgotten how to elect smart politicians If I am reading the polls right the Democrats may flip enough seats to get a narrow majority in the House. At best, they may flip the Senate, but it is more likely that they will suffer a net loss of 2 seats. Thus, more gridlock is in store. This is not good news for the GOP. The economy is teetering, but the meltdown and layoffs likely begin next year. By 2020, many people will be hurting and that "big beautiful tax cut" will do virtually nothing for Middle America. Last edited by Arturo2nd; June 25th, 2018 at 12:56 AM.. |
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June 24th, 2018, 07:29 PM | #1699 | |
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However, gridlock in the US legislature has become the unremarkable norm. For example, now that the Trump administration have been obliged to pass an executive order on the child migrants issue when they were trying to use it as leverage to force the Democrats in Congress to cooperate on immigration law reform, a more astute Democrat block in Congress would offer very publicly to engage with the Trump administration and negotiate on its own terms rather than those of Mr Trump. If they were paying attention in 2016, they might remember that their softness on immigration worked against them in that electoral cycle. It is much more likely though that the Democrats will make no effort to engage with the Trump administration and will choose paralysis instead of achievement. It is not preferable to achieve positive outcomes for the US people, but rather it is preferable to maximise the failure of the Trump administration.
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June 24th, 2018, 10:19 PM | #1700 |
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"This is why facts matter, and why your side will never tell you them"
Which side are you talking about? If facts mattered and the right wasn't so easy to swing, we might have a real Republican in the WH, instead of a poseur.
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