Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Roubignol]

Hi,

Here is a forum with a huge majority of Anglo-Saxons. So I suppose that you mainly hate communism. But why?

Exactly 15 minutes ago, I spoke with a 50 years old guy born in Yugoslavia.
He's a huge worker.
He knew the Communism and just told me that the Tito's years were the best years of his life.
There were no poor people, very few criminality, all the children had an education. They were not rich but they lived well.

He finally quit Kosovo during the war and came back when the war was finished. He finally decided to quit one more time his country.

He told me that everything has changed in the worst direction.
A lot of criminality, a lot more poor people and absolutely nomore solidarity.

Now I work with a Polish guy who is a little bit older.
He's incredibly lazy, he spends his money buying stupid things. He's an egoïst, but on several ways he's really funny and he has a very good level of knowledges. He knows how to integrate or derivate functions.
He HATES communism. He always tells me that were the worst years of his life. He always tells me the same story: "Why we only had one type of grey phone at home and not several ones to choose? Why we had to be restricted in the quantity of gazoline to put in our cars?"
But he never told me that he was hungry or there were hungry people in his city.
After the fall of the wall, my Polish coworker never went back to work in Poland.

When I read that 46 millions Americans people, 9 millions French people live under the line of poverty and when I spoke with my Polish hater or my Yugoslavian fan of Communism, both told me they never were poor and nobody were poor.

So in your point of view, who is right, who is wrong?
Does a good Communism really exist? Is it a model of society that correspond to a proper personal philosophy?
Is Communism that bad?

[cginok]

Using someone from Yugoslavia as your benchmark for communism is, quite frankly, wrong. Yugoslavia, though a communist country, was not under the boot heel of the USSR. The people in Yugoslavia had more freedoms, more openness, more access to Western people and goods, than the people in most other communist countries. Your Polish friend being proof of that.

I've always thought that the problem with communism is that it caters to one of the most basic urges of humanity, laziness. No matter how little I work, or how little effort I put out, I'll still be taken care of. No, I might not live a life of luxury, but at least I'll have some form of housing with adequate food and health care to survive.

I've always thought that the problem with capitalism is that it caters to one of the most basic urges of humanity, greed. So what if I have 10 mansions, 3 private jets, and a fleet of Italian sports cars, I need another freakin' Ferrari damnit and I don't care if I have to destroy thousands of people's lives to get it!!!

[SanteeFats]

Oh hell now you are going to get palo all riled up.

Like any form of government it is how well () it is run and how capable the members are.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by cginok

Using someone from Yugoslavia as your benchmark for communism is, quite frankly, wrong. Yugoslavia, though a communist country, was not under the boot heel of the USSR. The people in Yugoslavia had more freedoms, more openness, more access to Western people and goods, than the people in most other communist countries. Your Polish friend being proof of that.

I've always thought that the problem with communism is that it caters to one of the most basic urges of humanity, laziness.(...)

I've always thought that the problem with capitalism is that it caters to one of the most basic urges of humanity, greed.(...)

The Vietnamese must've noticed the same, hence they introduced the 'doi moi' (some 30 years ago) and injected some capitalism in their communism.

[palo5]

Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

It's a very complicated question. I'm a lifelong communist, and think communism contains some deathless ideals. But it depends who leads and how it's practiced -- there are many different flavors. All have up- and downsides

I had a good life in USSR and DDR. If I had worked in the same position in the West, I would have been better rewarded, materially at any rate. On the other hand, homelessness and poverty were almost unknown in the East, same with unemployment. They were unconstitutional, actually. Guarantees you would never see in the West

But as I said, it is a very complicated question

[brk549]

If you end up with a bad leader as N. Korea,they are life long maybe even self appointed,you can't do anything about it.You have no control over who is controlling your life.Your only option is revolt.We had one here in the US a few months ago but we did it with votes.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by brk549

If you end up with a bad leader as N. Korea,they are life long maybe even self appointed,you can't do anything about it.You have no control over who is controlling your life.Your only option is revolt.We had one here in the US a few months ago but we did it with votes.

Ok... but didn't Hillary get 3,000,000 more votes than The Donald? So much for the votes -- more than half of them didn't count

Not that I'm in love with either, but to me The Donald sounded much preferable as a candidate

N Korea suffers from "inherited privilege syndrome", which means it isn't communist at the top. One of the downside-flavors I mentioned. China does it better

[cginok]

Originally Posted by palo5

Ok... but didn't Hillary get 3,000,000 more votes than The Donald? So much for the votes -- more than half of them didn't count

Not that I'm in love with either, but to me The Donald sounded much preferable as a candidate

N Korea suffers from "inherited privilege syndrome", which means it isn't communist at the top. One of the downside-flavors I mentioned. China does it better

I think a lot of "communist" countries do. In reality, what a lot of communist countries did, was replace one monarchy with another monarchy. Only instead of being based solely on birth, it was based upon birth and party membership. North Korea being the perfect example of that.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by cginok

I think a lot of "communist" countries do. In reality, what a lot of communist countries did, was replace one monarchy with another monarchy. Only instead of being based solely on birth, it was based upon birth and party membership. North Korea being the perfect example of that.

All of us knew it wasn't perfection. It's comparable with monarchy. Disreputable, that's why we killed it

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by palo5

Not that I'm in love with either, but to me The Donald

Aargh, there is only one person who can be referred to as "The Donald" and that is the Clan chief of Clan MacDonald. Like that arrogant narcissistic twat's attempt to create a crest, he has no right to it and it's just one more piece of evidence of the fact that he's a lying thief.