Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[judy84]

All these trivialities have nothing to do with the title of this thread. The EU referendum was held 18 months ago and is finished and decided.
Surely new threads should be started such as:

Why we want to remain in the EU.
Why we don't want to be part of a federalist Europe.
Do people want a EU armed forces?
Should we have direct taxation of all citizens of the EU?
Why does the EU put funds into the BBC and schools?

However most of these topics do not affect the UK because it is leaving the EU on 29th March 2019.

[seany65]

Originally Posted by palo5

I know that's what concerns you most, but you're so wrong. By leaving the EU you're reducing democracy in UK. You have the most undemocratic election system in Europe, where more than half the votes don't count

That means your laws are always made by unrepresentative governments

Apart from which, you'll still have to comply with EU laws, if you want to sell anything. You'll be able to change nothing. But you'll be diminished in every way

Good luck with the trade deals

So, is it more democratic for foreign politicians, whom we had no way of voting for or against (and thus were not elected by any british votes, even 1% of them) to have a slowly increasing say in what my govt. does or doesn't do than it is for only british politicians that were elected by british people to decide for themselves what our govt. does or doesn't do, even if they were elected by less than 100% of the electorate?

Any vote cast for a politician who doesn't get elected is 'wasted' as you put it, but at least our politicians will be elected by some percentage of the vote, which is a lot more than no percentage of the vote.

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by judy84

However most of these topics do not affect the UK because it is leaving the EU on 29th March 2019.

Unless they decide to delay it as in the Exit Bill.

Even after tat then will still be in the Single Market and Customs Union for the Transition Period of about 2 years following EU rules and judgements.

And then even if there is no deal the UK will still be 'fully aligned' with EU rules.

Not to mention all the £Billions will still be paying them for probably decades.

How about a thread 'Things the Leave Campaign didn't mention or lied about but that we'll try to blame 'Remainers' for anyway'

[judy84]

"No deal" is having no alignment.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/...od-deal-to-me/

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by judy84

"No deal" is having no alignment.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/...od-deal-to-me/

No mention of 'full alignment' or the Divorce Payments/Agreement?

This article was written back in October before the Divorce Agreement with the EU (which even David 'Backtrack' Davis now says the UK will fully honour) so is redundant and irrelevant.

Wasn't David Davis going to resign if Green was fired? No?
David 'Backtrack' Davis strikes again!
He 'just has to remain calm' that's all.

[judy84]

Maybe he will backtrack and not agree the divorce bill if there is no deal?
It may be that EU has to give special status to Eire for this alignment.
If the UK defaults to WTO rules (using copied-and-pasted versions of the EU’s tariffs in the short term), the EU would still have to maintain its side of the border. That would require check goods coming into Ireland from the UK.
That’s because the EU’s existence as a free trade area depends on its ability to demonstrate to the WTO that it can control its external borders properly.


Who knows what will happen?


Why not start a thread "Let's all have a crack at the UK"....even Russians for gawd's sake.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by ********

I posted copies of the leaflets sent to every house back in the 70s, and links to YouTube videos of the TV debates, and newspaper clippings... All discussed the fact that the other countries were quite open about wanting to build a close political union, maybe even a united states of Europe.

In fact the government argued that the UK would be able to opt out of key parts of that, as it did (the Euro, borderless travel etc).

You have tried this disingenuous argument previously and here was my rebuttal at that time.
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...postcount=2003

If, as I suspect, plans for future integration may have been known by some such as that slimy toad Ted Heath, they would have been deliberately withheld from the British people and maybe other nations and that only hardens my resolve to leave the EU

[gordian_knot]

Originally Posted by vinceprince

Wasn't David Davis going to resign if Green was fired? No?
David 'Backtrack' Davis strikes again!
He 'just has to remain calm' that's all.

He had already backtracked, almost immediately. Which is why May felt she could sack Green. Green was a Remainer as well, weakening the Softies in the Cabinet.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

If, as I suspect, plans for future integration may have been known by some such as that slimy toad Ted Heath, they would have been deliberately withheld from the British people and maybe other nations and that only hardens my resolve to leave the EU

Hmmm... not to be rude, but everyone knows you only elect unrepresentative governments, that have little to do with the "will of the people"

So what are your fears about integration with democratic states?

Historically, a politically united Europe is by far the best solution

[judy84]

Originally Posted by palo5

Hmmm... not to be rude, but everyone knows you only elect unrepresentative governments, that have little to do with the "will of the people"

So what are your fears about integration with democratic states?

Historically, a politically united Europe is by far the best solution

Why doesn't Russia join ...i'm sure the EU would welcome fellow democrats.