Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

So feel free to not participate in this topic.
I do not read anymore at your film descriptions.

Thank you for the offer but no thanks, if anyone makes a comment I disagree strongly with I will reply. Members are free to visit any threads they want to. It's all about freedom of Choice, something we are used to in the "West"

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

In the Marx theory, he said, that social classes will slowly disappear thanks to social revolutions and education.

So the new Marxist solution is

Originally Posted by xyzde69

In France there are several professors teaching in university that promotes modern communisms.
As example: A communism based on three levels of salaries, but no more dividends. More you get qualifications, more you get a higher salary, but a worker who doesn't want to get qualitication will earn a basic but correct salary.

That's that modern Marxism or modern Communism, whatever how people want to call it.

Isn't that three Classes ??
Won't there be a Class War ??

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

As I already told to Estreeter, I worked in a tunnel during 3 years.
Look at the last picture. According to me, the journalist who went into this mine to make videos, was unconscious or get huuugeee bollocks. Because he risked his life to bring us this testimony.
There are not safe working conditions in these coltan mines.
You will never find any Occidental minors accepting to work in these kind of conditions today, apart if shareholders starve them as they starved them during the 19th century.

And as I've said, nobody but nobody is forced to go down there,
It is entirely their choice to go there,

I'll use my workplace as an example,
True I do get paid a lot, but brickmaking is back breaking also, the money the operators get where I work is above average and quite good to be honest, probably the highest paid factory workers where I live. Apart from being extremely physically demanding there is the dirt plus the heat .... 2 kilns we have 248 meters long, 2.5 meters tall and 4 meters wide that operate between 1100 and 1350 C ..... the add our summer heat of 40 C plus lovely

That said, I have seen dozens upon dozens come there, happy they will earn maybe 20 grand more than the average and then leave within a week or month, this is grown men who've laboured there whole life , it's choice.

My point is this, they are not forced to come there and free to leave,
Same applies for the jobs is Africa or Asia .... nobody is forced and if you're not happy you are free to leave .

What really annoys me about Commie's is simply this .... you all make it out like a company owe you something, fact is they don't owe you anything, all they have is a job for you if you're prepared to do it, if you're not happy then leave and look elsewhere or for a different type of job.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Thank you for the offer but no thanks, if anyone makes a comment I disagree strongly with I will reply. Members are free to visit any threads they want to. It's all about freedom of Choice, something we are used to in the "West"

So... you read me. I don't "preach" alone.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

So... you read me. I don't "preach" alone.

No just to an audience that is waiting for the main feature to start

You may get some ideas here

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

So the new Marxist solution is




Isn't that three Classes ??
Won't there be a Class War ??

I agree with you. But it seems to me (maybe I'm wrong) that this professor, tried to create a transistion form from unfair Capitalism to fair Communism in the way to better assimilate the slaves who are defending their masters.

That's not that easy to show the real freedom to people who were used to be prisoners of money during all their life.

Because it's a fact, if you don't get money in Capitalism, you are directly sent to the margin.
So to earn money, there are people that are ready to lick the feet of their boss, commit crimes to defend them and even are ready to die for them. Even if these bosses treat them like shit.

Money is a powerful tool of slavery.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

And as I've said, nobody but nobody is forced to go down there,
It is entirely their choice to go there,
.... if you're not happy then leave and look elsewhere or for a different type of job.

You compare your life with 12 years old children that are manipulated by their parental society.

Why not paying them directly 600$ per day and installing good professional environment?

Because it makes better benefits and you can buy cheap smartphone.

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Gandhi didn't die for His noble cause,He was killed by Hindus who considered Him a traitor.You can't really use Jesus as an example either,There is no consensus that He ever even existed..

If I remember well, Estreeter is a Christian, I needed a icon who would symbolize the fairness.


BTW guys. It's time to me to make a little nap.
Work well today to improve my own confort of Capitalism parasite.
And be profitable, otherwise uncle Harold will not get his dividends.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

You compare your life with 12 years old children that are manipulated by their parental society.

Not quite I only pointed out the 1 similarity, choice and not being held there at gunpoint.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Work well today to improve my own confort of Capitalism parasite.

I will, so I can afford the new iMac Pro I have been eyeing for a few months now, might even take my V8 out for a drive tomorrow, wind the widows down and have my iPhone connected via bluetooth and have The Boss blarring out the windows while I'm breaking the law and barreling down a highway at 50 km/h over the speed limit and not giving a damn ....... life is good

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Not quite I only pointed out the 1 similarity, choice and not being held there at gunpoint.



I will, so I can afford the new iMac Pro I have been eyeing for a few months now, might even take my V8 out for a drive tomorrow, wind the widows down and have my iPhone connected via bluetooth and have The Boss blarring out the windows while I'm breaking the law and barreling down a highway at 50 km/h over the speed limit and not giving a damn ....... life is good

Did you calculate how many years you have wasted in working in unpleasant jobs to buy useless commodities?

That's a very interesting observation of Karl Marx.
Hours and hours, days and days, years and years... to buy new iMac Pro that will be turn off during the working hours, to buy a V8 that will not drive you anywhere during the working hours, etc...

That's one of the side of man alienation.

I've made a small calculation. Today the common full job workers spend one third (33%) of their working life sleeping and about one fourth (25%) of their working life at work in good conditions.
Common full job workers get about 40~45% of their working life for fun.

Before the Marxist social revolution, common workers were used to work 42% of their working life... and often in very difficult conditions.
They were "free" about 25% of their time. But which kind of freedom?
Tired, exausted and poor.

Thanks to the European Marxist revolution, common workers have won 17% of free time. And free time that are qualitatively of better conditions.


You can tell a huge "THANK YOU" to the Marxists and the workers who made revolution to improve your actual way of life, because it was not the facts of the bourgeois.

Because of the decline of performance of the Occidental workers, the bourgeois have searched all around the world new uneducated slaves to apply the same disgusting working conditions that they applied to your ancesters.

That's what we call : Capitalism.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Did you calculate how many years you have wasted in working in unpleasant jobs to buy useless commodities?

Lets see, what's a waste
Paid off a farm that was too big for me, sold it and bought a smaller property that I have leased out to a lovely young couple who look after it very well.

So, that's a home I own with a few acres I have spare there when I retire would like to grow olives .... don't seem useless to me.

What else is a waste, Hmmm
Have a VW Jetta that's been useful to drive around in for the chick I married That'll be replaced with a VW Golf or Ford Focus soon.

I have my own Ford Falcon V8, been a very keen fan of them since I was a kid, plus the company car I use 95% of the time, The Falcon is only for a hobby, and also have an old classic 1972 Falcon GT under covers at Mum home, rare collectors item and minor investment, driven a few times a year only.
Nope, don't see a waste there.

What else is a waste,
3 TV's, maybe 1 is the other 2 aren't.
1 Apple iMac, well that ain't a waste.... I mean I use it to argue with you here while you try convince us Marxism is the answer , so I guess that is useful for you without knowing it

What else
Food consisying of the 3 main food groups, Lamb, Beef and Pork
The maybe slightly big stainless steel BBQ we use to BBQ that meat, true it is a bit big

What else,
Hmm, I do like good shoes, hate buying them along with clothes so I will pay big for good long lasting quality rather than cheap crap that won't last long,
A 1 time buy is better than say 3 for the same thing, probably cheaper in the long run

What else,
Furniture Don't care for it, I am male but same applies as with clothes.

What else,
Well the only money I do waste is on cigarettes and gambling, but that's fun now and then, I also do like going out for dinner now and then when we have the chance and we do go overboard with what we spend at restaurants, but hey, gotta have fun some time.

I could go on about what we own but,

Originally Posted by xyzde69

That's a very interesting observation of Karl Marx.
Hours and hours, days and days, years and years... to buy new iMac Pro that will be turn off during the working hours, to buy a V8 that will not drive you anywhere during the working hours, etc...

Using that logic do you suggest we only work for the basics in life to eat, sleep and not much else ??? I see you will next say that's what happens with those who work in Apple facilities in Asia and so on ..... But that's not my problem, that's for them to work out how to make it better for themselves See, this is where my left wing views will come out, I hate the labour unions here but at the same time am happy they did do the right things many years ago for basic rights, today they have become just as greedy as the big companies, but that's only speaking for my country. One day, those same people in Asia and so will do the same as the real unions of decades ago. I hope they do as when they work hand in hand, unions and big companies, can achieve a good goal.

We had a company here, SPC, a canned food company, they were about to close for good, the only way they could survive was for the employees to take an immediate pay cay, think it was 25 %, union officials were dead against it, the employees saw the light and took the cut, it was still rough for them for a few years and still on the verge of collapse. That was over 15 years ago, but that same company still exists Had the employees listened to the union officials and been greedy and not taken the cut they would have had precisely nothing.

Those employees can now enjoy a life, a paid off home and small commodities now and then.

[Roubignol]

It seems to me that the goals of old Communist leaders were to create the perfect fair man, who would not have been greedy, who would have fairly contributed to the collectivity. A sort of ant.
They used Marxism to create an anti-Marxism.

It clearly was a lack of knowledges in the chaotic process of evolution. A fair couple can give life to a perfect selfish psychopath.

In comparison, the goals of the Capitalist leaders are to create perfect consumerist stooges, who are obedient to their masters and not observing how manipulated or slavedrivers they are... and if they note these facts, at least they get a standard of life that let think to them that they are well enough in their small bubble.

I've never studied sociology and psychology, but it must be very interesting cases to study.

But what will be the next goals?

After reading the book "Sapiens", I understood that thanks technologies, our form of life called homo sapiens, could be put under slavery or annihilated by modern enhanced men.
In the book the historian Yuval Noah Harari calls this new man: Homo Deus.

Several people will say: "That's science fiction, that will never happen!"

Hmmmm. We have to be modest, because the revolution already begun and will be very difficult to stop.

All the dogmas, the ideologies, that we were used to discuss about creating a more fair and human society could be very soon sent to the limbs.