Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[bloke57]

Originally Posted by ********

I really hope you didn't vote for Brexit then, because you just screwed yourself and your retirement.

I most certainly did not.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by ********

That seems entirely fair, which is why I'm considering Germany as one of the places I leave the UK for.

I wanted to demonstrate in this example, that not the EU is to blame for it. The British lawmaker is to blame for those insufficient laws
(It's all the same with other cases in Germany too, the EU is blamed for.)

Damn, why can't we learn from each other ?
(I'm for example being fascinated of your London Bobbies working in the streets each day. Our Police is only driving with their cars and seeing as good as "nothing", but they are armed. )

[rotobott]

Thought this was quite cleverly done, obviously not true considering the UK's ethnic balance.

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by ********

Migrants from the EU are mostly young and healthy, net contributors to the system, paying for the older British people's pensions and healthcare.

No "young healthy" bugger from Europe pays my pension - my late wife and I paid through the f*cking nose for it in 50 years of top rate tax and max National Insurance contributions .

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

Yet we seem to have a system that encourages the feckless to breed at the same time as it discourages reproduction by the better class of person

Agreed wholeheartedly Oto-and likewise here in NZ-but how do we change it?

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by palo5

And in turn, those children will be subsidizing pensions & old-age healthcare of those without children through their taxes

But those childrens' education,. nurturing and healthcare was paid for by the taxes of those without during their working lives-don't try pulling that line Palo-it simply doesn't work...those receiving OAP and healthcare-have (unless they're recent immigrants!!) spent a working lifetime paying into the system.

[bloke57]

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

But those childrens' education,. nurturing and healthcare was paid for by the taxes of those without during their working lives-don't try pulling that line Palo-it simply doesn't work...those receiving OAP and healthcare-have (unless they're recent immigrants!!) spent a working lifetime paying into the system.

Well yes they did. But that money is spent - not hidden under a mattress somewhere. So you need people capable of generating a national income today to pay the costs incurred today.

Government expenditure is all current spending, not interest on investment.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

But those childrens' education,. nurturing and healthcare was paid for by the taxes of those without during their working lives-don't try pulling that line Palo-it simply doesn't work...

You can try kidding yourself otherwise, but that's exactly the way it works. To prove the point, if people don't make enough kids to pay your pension & entitlements, you won't get what you were expecting, and that's a fact

It won't help whining that "things aren't fair". Lots of things aren't fair -- might as well live with it because it's never going to change

[vinceprince]

The Russians have solved this retirement problem with vodka.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/31/russian-men-losing-years-to-vodka

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by ********

The "stamps" are counted so that when you retire the government knows how much of younger people's money it is fair to give you.

Bugger that !!

We paid in plenty and she didn't survive to get a penny - as far as I'm concerned I've more than paid for what I now receive.