Where is the line drawn in the sand for these topics?

[hovhaness]

No rape, sadistic, violence, nazi themed posts, extreme S&M, or extreme perverse material like scat

Where is the line drawn in the sand?

rape & sadistic, violence Can be found in many of the roughies & sexploitation movies
Mitchell Brothers & Findlay movies for example.
This theme is in so many pre blue law films of the 70's
There are many of these films on the board.

Nazi themed videos I see pages of threads posted by many respected members
Films like; The Ilsa Series, Hitler's Harlot, She Wolves of the SS, Girls Of The Third Reich, Diversions, Fraulein Without a Uniform, SS Camp 5
Etc..

extreme S&M, or extreme perverse material like scat?
I see many many pages of threads with material of classic Golden Geissel, Perversa, Auriga Exzesse, Magnum, etc ..

I just want to know where the line is drawn in the sand because i have rare films of all types I can post.
I don't want to break rules & be banned, or even selectively targeted with my only defense being
"Well I saw these here & here & here so I thought it was permitted."

It is better to have a cut & dry line.

I posted it here because it seemed more a help question or question for mods than a general discussion question.
I know this is the technical area.
I just could not find an area that seemed more appropriate to ask the question.

[ConstantOgler]

Perhaps with no response from Authorities after 72 hrs., comments by others not out of turn?
As one who finds the "banned" material a complete turn-off, I must say the idea of Mods actively censoring both impractical and contrary to spirit of the forum. If someone reports an objection you have the "bluenose" issue, as in society at large. Why were you there? No one made you go. I can't really know but I suspect such reports in VEF about nil. Are Mods to make deletions absent any objection?

Perhaps ultimate & only duty of Mods is to save vef from damage provoked by legally banned material. ? As an American I know only one category fits this, and it is not nazism, scat, "extreme perversion" [except of one kind] or even horrific brutality; all of these are fully protected by American law. [Such is the American "perversion"]. Other countries individually may have other laws and policies, but for the global internet they have no effect.

If when the Rule was writ there were reasons besides legal protection, what were they? Could there be any agreement now? No one wants to say the rule is obsolete, but . . .

PS: Surely this is connected to the decision, whenever and however made, that "vintage" is just a name, Has nada to do with content. Yes there was "bad" old stuff too, but not like this.

[MrInBetween]

Originally Posted by ConstantOgler

As one who finds the "banned" material a complete turn-off, I must say the idea of Mods actively censoring both impractical and contrary to spirit of the forum. If someone reports an objection you have the "bluenose" issue, as in society at large. Why were you there? No one made you go. I can't really know but I suspect such reports in VEF about nil. Are Mods to make deletions absent any objection?

hovhaness has a legitimate worry - the rules say that an immediate ban will follow on the posting of these subjects. Above the rule that he quotes is one on material depicting under-18s, and certainly the mods are pro-active on this issue, without waiting for a complaint. That line has been very clearly and decisively drawn, and explained in another thread, but it is one that is easy to draw - no under 18s, even fully-dressed and in a non-sexual context. Where do you draw the line between extreme S&M and acceptable S&M? It would be good to have an answer, but until then, you could PM the mod of the appropriate section and make a specific enquiry about something you're about to post, and then at least you wouldn't risk banning - I'd have thought.

[hos]

honestly i didn't want to place my opinion here cause the answers to your questions should have been given by one of the admins, to underline an official character, which imho is necessary to have a clear statement on these issues. but it seems they either don't have the time or don't like to walk on the thin ice these questions imply.

so i explain it from my view:

nazi stuff:
as long as it's rather displaying the uniform fetish it's not a problem here.
but when it turns into an obviously racist theme it becomes offending and people shouldn't wonder when they got banned for posting this.

scat:
go away. not welcome here.

rape & sadistic, violence, extreme:
depends how far it goes, as long as it's storyplay and "tasteful", i don't think it does any harm. but as soon as lines are crossed and "actors" were obviously hurt/tortured, you should better ask first. a good idea is to keep such stuff in those themed threads we already have, don't post it to the model threads (as long as the model itself isn't commonly known for such works) or to threads with fitting aspects but different topic (like latex/leather themes)

any banned stuff:
if you see it, hit the report button. mods can't review every posted material, they need the help of the members to keep this board clean.

[billybunter]

If it is against the rules then my advice is follow those rules. They are there to keep the good ship vef on an even keel.

[hos]

great answer if it's obviously an issue of different measures based on the eye of the beholder.



in this question there is no clear line you can easily follow. "it's a broad field", to cite Fontane.

Its hard to draw a line in these cases, what is simulated? what is classed as extreme? Most of the time its down to each individuals perspective.

As Hos said, it largely depends on what context its viewed in.

Nazism - is not allowed when used in a racist manner or to demean a certain race or colour.

Scat - is scat, and not wanted, along with child pornography and other such behaviour

S&M, Rape, etc - Common sense should be used here, its pretty clear what is simulated, staged and downright violent. But people have differing views as to what they call acceptable and unacceptable. Mods are like everyone else too - one may deem something unacceptable that another might have no problems with.

Banned content - Theres a reason why its banned, and 99% of the time its banned for the sake and continued future of this forum.

Hope this helps.

[hovhaness]

Nazism - is not allowed when used in a racist manner or to demean a certain race or colour.

I think it is important to have the definition with the word here.
This does definitely clarify the type of film.
Although I have known some to argue that the uniform in & of itself does this automatically.
This is why having it drawn out will clarify it.
The person posting it can refer directly to the rule & there is nothing vague.

S&M, Rape, etc - Common sense should be used here, its pretty clear what is simulated, staged and downright violent. But people have differing views as to what they call acceptable and unacceptable. Mods are like everyone else too - one may deem something unacceptable that another might have no problems with..

I think that this is where I have that kind of chilly feeling.
So many classics do have some rough stuff.
Just how rough is too rough?
Is whipping ok but no blood?
Is rape fantasy ok?
I just feel it is important to be as clear as possible.
It gives posters more confidence.
It removes excuses from people who will be banned
& removes the maybe/maybe not from the moderators.
Giving them a much clearer yes/no
Using words like simulated or staged helps a lot.
That open ended feeling is always an awful feeling.

This way nobody can be singled out or punished because someone has a grudge or an issue of some other sort & then uses a vague rule to punish.
It happens sometimes when you give some even a little power or a title.
They use that rep & or power to hurt others.
I have seen it on many boards over the years.

I thank everyone for answering & i can assure that I am asking for the good of the community.
Also for my own selfish reason because I have some of these classics to post & it just felt wrong to chance posting them without asking the question.
The added words to define by the Admin Inglorious really helps as well as input from the community.
I would love to see those underlined parts in the quotes added on that page so that it is all in black & white.

To even attempt to clarify would imo create a bigger mess:

Whipping is ok, unless it draws blood, unless there is too much force, unless there are x amount of strokes, etc etc

The best rule would be to use common sense, and if unsure then send a PM to the Supermod of the section you are looking to post in, asking for advice before posting.

No one is singled out unless they persistently break the rules.

The mods are here to help, we make mistakes too like everyone.

Remember all mods do it for free and in their own time, for very little thanks.