Atheist, are you one??

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by vannax

The fact is, as far as we can tell, there are either Botlzmann brains, or a multiverse.
The positice cosmological constant means that the universe is in a finite box, FOREVER.
Do you know what forever means?
Hint: It's a lot longer than Graham's number or Tree(3) years.
You may as well advocate that its likely that a man can play every lottery available each day, and keep winning the jackpot every time, for his entire life, because nobody can prove it's impossible.
Yeah, Tree(3) or Tree(4), WTF? indeed.

Next look up AdS/CFT correspondence, and keep saying WTF.
Math is hard, I know, and physics is even harder.

As I said before and will say again that's all very clever so have another gold star and take another sweet out of the jar but it tells us bugger all about whether there is a God or not.
I have Googled it but I won't be looking up AdS/CFT correspondence as life is far too short.
Yes thank you I do know what Forever means, it is a song by KISS or as a concept it is roughly half the time it would take you to convince me to study theoretical physics.

When you get evidence of there being an actual God rather than just stuff that looks pretty written in chalk on lots of long blackboards then please feel free to enlighten us.

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

When you get evidence of there being an actual God rather than just stuff that looks pretty written in chalk on lots of long blackboards then please feel free to enlighten us.

Of course, to complete the thought - when you get evidence of there actually being no God (answers on a postcard please), please feel free to enlighten us.

Balance is important, oops different philosophical construct, sorry...

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by crinolynne

Of course, to complete the thought - when you get evidence of there actually being no God (answers on a postcard please), please feel free to enlighten us.

Balance is important, oops different philosophical construct, sorry...

Balance is important but there is no evidence anywhere there is A God, this has been gone through time and again in so many forums and debates.
You cannot get evidence of a thing not existing, what you say of God(s) can be said of ghosts, poltergeists, fairies, leprechauns etc, people believe what they want to believe and interpret phenomena to suit their arguments, we all do it.
I am an atheist as I do not believe there is a sentient God that is watching over us.
I do not doubt that a long time ago there may have been some powerful creative force in the universe that spawned us but if so it has long since passed us by and has moved onto far greater things.

The burden of proof is on those who believe there is a God to provide evidence, and quoting bible passages as so many do is not proof.

[hoss]

I don´t believe in God and He doesn´t seem to believe in me either.

[NukeTheFridge]

Everybody believes in something. I believe I'll have another beer.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by NukeTheFridge

Everybody believes in something. I believe I'll have another beer.

I've just had one with some chips
I drink, therefore I am

[vannax]

A:Chemistry + Experimentally proven fact that far-from-equilibrium systems give rise to increasingly complex dissipative structures = Evolution.
B: Creationists: Nu-uh, those are just theories. (Albeit unproven ones).
The only thing that suggest Evolution is...evidence.

Originally Posted by Wendigo

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The burden of proof is on those who believe there is a God to provide evidence, and quoting bible passages as so many do is not proof.

Here's some evidence:

A: General Relativity + Quantum mechanics + Experimentally proven fact that the universe has a positive cosmological constant + Experimentally proven fact that far-from-equilibrium systems give rise to increasingly complex dissipative structures = Kardashev-5 life, aka God(s).
B: Atheists: Nuh-uh, those are just theories. (Albeit unproven ones)
The only thing that suggests the existence of atemporal intelligences that can both permeate and exist outside of space and time is...evidence.

Fundamentally, atheists are just as anti-science as Creationists.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by vannax

Fundamentally, atheists are just as anti-science as Creationists.

The Kardashev scale is a vague argument at best as it measures alien life forms by their level of technological advancement, so far we have not found evidence of any alien life forms. It is again based on an untested theory. Now on the Kardashian scale God would be eligible to have his own weekly reality TV show, that would make me sit up and pay attention (but not actually watch it).

I think you will find that most atheists are actually pro-science, we may not delve into it as deep as some but just because we do not subscribe to Scientific American or lace our conversations with phrases that make us sound like outtakes from The Big Bang Theory it does not mean we don't like Science.

It may seem like evidence to you but involving science in the God concept for me is a non starter, you can throw as many big words in as you want but you are not proving to me by using what may be smart, but meaningless to most of us, equations that there is a God.

[Mal Hombre]

Even if equations could prove the existence a god,Why are You so sure that it's your god ? It might as well be Huitzilopochtli or Set..

[vannax]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Even if equations could prove the existence a god,Why are You so sure that it's your god ? It might as well be Huitzilopochtli or Set..

I never said it was my God(s). I never said the equations prove its existence. I merely stated that evidence exists that strongly suggests its (their) existence.
That fact alone makes atheism just as unscientific as creationism.

So, I am neither an atheist nor a creationist. Are you?