Fran Gerard

BUSTYFAN1947 · October 21st, 2017, 07:33 AM

Interesting post I read, talked about her "death". Seems that the initial determination was she died in an automobile accident, driver. Later, very quickly,
the COD was noted as "undetermined". Question is based on photos, with her in the car,
looked dead to me. Other photos showed her body removed. These are public, ones I was shown apparently are not so "public".Seems to me that death can be determined pretty quickly but "undetermined" is simply laughable. As for her body, supposedly cremated, ashes scattered. No idea who made that decision as it apparently didn't come from documentation found. Lot of questions still out there, if you have the time to go into "fact from fiction"..

Barry Shitpeas · October 23rd, 2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BUSTYFAN1947

Question is based on photos, with her in the car,
looked dead to me. Other photos showed her body removed. These are public, ones I was shown apparently are not so "public"..

Franfan · October 28th, 2017, 01:34 PM

I have been told that Fran's official death certificate shows that she died at her parents' home, and that cause of death is not listed, instead it says "pending investigation" or some similar language. I have not previously heard that she was involved in an auto accident, this is definitely new information to me. I am told that the death certificate also says she was a waitress at a local restaurant for 17 years. That likely has a measure of exaggeration in terms of years of service, but she probably was employed doing routine work like waitressing at that point in her life. I've seen a few pictures of Fran from the late 70s/early 80s, and she was, to be charitable, a 'faded' beauty. One 1983 picture, 2 years before her death, has her looking quite plain, and very tired-looking. Her remains (or at minimum, a stone marker) are located at Fairhaven Memorial Park cemetery in Santa Ana, CA. https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/f...GRid=164995527

BUSTYFAN1947 · January 22nd, 2019, 09:11 AM

Her name keeps showing up on the strangest sites, none related to her being a Centerfold in Playboy,but having a longtime interest in topics one might consider "odd", and at 71, I guess I can excuse my interest in "odd" topics, about any site that addresses "vanishing", missing, unexplained absences, etc, her name shows up. I seldom see any comment that she is gone someplace, gotten married, has a job, kids, etc. Being "normal" has no appeal. Wish her luck, if she is till alive and some privacy.

SilverLion · February 5th, 2019, 06:50 PM

I'd be interested to see some later pics of her. It's fascinating how one of the most beloved playmates can just disappear without an easily accessible paper trail. Though I'm not a huge internet sleuth so it might not be as mysterious as I imagine.

SilverLion · September 26th, 2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Franfan

I've seen a few pictures of Fran from the late 70s/early 80s, and she was, to be charitable, a 'faded' beauty. One 1983 picture, 2 years before her death, has her looking quite plain, and very tired-looking.

I finally checked out some of those pics. Pretty fascinating stuff, though I felt a little weird sifting through a dead woman's family photos on an obit site. At the very least she seemed to have a good family, and despite her tragically short life it's good to know she didn't die forgotten to everybody.

**charliels531** · October 6th, 2019, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BUSTYFAN1947

Seems to me that death can be determined pretty quickly but "undetermined" is simply laughable.

It is rarely that easy. In the U.S. about 1/3 of the deaths in single-car accidents are later determined to be suicides.

Rizal · November 8th, 2019, 11:41 AM

Where can I find those photos, later years and family?

SilverLion · December 7th, 2019, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizal

Where can I find those photos, later years and family?

I don't remember the exact site. Just do a search for Frank Camuglia and sift through obit sites until you find a match.

SilverLion · April 20th, 2021, 12:05 AM

Ofc, this whole time I've been completely oblivious to a huge post from 10 years ago in the "In Memory of" thread that shed some light on Fran's life before and after March 67. Most of the details have been shared elsewhere but I think this sums it all up pretty well.

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...&postcount=138

October 21st, 2017, 07:33 AM	#1
BUSTYFAN1947 Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Raleigh, N.C. Posts: 35 Thanks: 2 Thanked 182 Times in 26 Posts	Fran Gerard Interesting post I read, talked about her "death". Seems that the initial determination was she died in an automobile accident, driver. Later, very quickly, the COD was noted as "undetermined". Question is based on photos, with her in the car, looked dead to me. Other photos showed her body removed. These are public, ones I was shown apparently are not so "public".Seems to me that death can be determined pretty quickly but "undetermined" is simply laughable. As for her body, supposedly cremated, ashes scattered. No idea who made that decision as it apparently didn't come from documentation found. Lot of questions still out there, if you have the time to go into "fact from fiction"..

April 20th, 2021, 12:05 AM	#10
SilverLion Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 57 Thanks: 392 Thanked 2,324 Times in 57 Posts	Update Ofc, this whole time I've been completely oblivious to a huge post from 10 years ago in the "In Memory of" thread that shed some light on Fran's life before and after March 67. Most of the details have been shared elsewhere but I think this sums it all up pretty well. http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...&postcount=138

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October 28th, 2017, 01:34 PM	#3
Franfan Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 4 Thanks: 3 Thanked 23 Times in 4 Posts	I have been told that Fran's official death certificate shows that she died at her parents' home, and that cause of death is not listed, instead it says "pending investigation" or some similar language. I have not previously heard that she was involved in an auto accident, this is definitely new information to me. I am told that the death certificate also says she was a waitress at a local restaurant for 17 years. That likely has a measure of exaggeration in terms of years of service, but she probably was employed doing routine work like waitressing at that point in her life. I've seen a few pictures of Fran from the late 70s/early 80s, and she was, to be charitable, a 'faded' beauty. One 1983 picture, 2 years before her death, has her looking quite plain, and very tired-looking. Her remains (or at minimum, a stone marker) are located at Fairhaven Memorial Park cemetery in Santa Ana, CA. https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/f...GRid=164995527

January 22nd, 2019, 09:11 AM	#4
BUSTYFAN1947 Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Raleigh, N.C. Posts: 35 Thanks: 2 Thanked 182 Times in 26 Posts	Her name keeps showing up on the strangest sites, none related to her being a Centerfold in Playboy,but having a longtime interest in topics one might consider "odd", and at 71, I guess I can excuse my interest in "odd" topics, about any site that addresses "vanishing", missing, unexplained absences, etc, her name shows up. I seldom see any comment that she is gone someplace, gotten married, has a job, kids, etc. Being "normal" has no appeal. Wish her luck, if she is till alive and some privacy.

February 5th, 2019, 06:50 PM	#5
SilverLion Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 57 Thanks: 392 Thanked 2,324 Times in 57 Posts	I'd be interested to see some later pics of her. It's fascinating how one of the most beloved playmates can just disappear without an easily accessible paper trail. Though I'm not a huge internet sleuth so it might not be as mysterious as I imagine.

November 8th, 2019, 11:41 AM	#8
Rizal Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Where can I find those photos, later years and family?