Gender Issues/Sexual Preference Issues, News Thread

[Estreeter]

This thread is specifically for discussing gender and sexual preference issues

[Alfac]

I came across an advert today for the new film Fireheart. The description contains 'Sixteen-year-old Georgia Nolan dreams of being the world's first-ever female firefighter', and 'Desperate to help her father and save her city, Georgia disguises herself as a young man called "Joe" and joins a small group of misfit firefighters trying to stop the arsonist'.

In the clip I saw, the lead character was passing themself off as male, complete with prosthetic facial hair, so, going by the opinion expressed by a denizen of the forum, that is enough to class them as a transman, and

Originally Posted by foxbat1

...a transman is a man, a transwoman is a woman.

So surely that means that it's really just another film about a male firefighter. Bit of a non-event really.

[Devius]

Suella Braverman, the [UK] Attorney-General, told The Times that schools are not obligated to address children by new pronouns or allow them to wear uniforms of a different gender.

[foxbat1]

Originally Posted by Devius

Suella Braverman, the [UK] Attorney-General, told The Times that schools are not obligated to address children by new pronouns or allow them to wear uniforms of a different gender.

This is headed to court. Hopefully most schools will ignore it anyway.

[Alfac]

Originally Posted by Devius

Suella Braverman, the [UK] Attorney-General, told The Times that schools are not obligated to address children by new pronouns or allow them to wear uniforms of a different gender.

Or, more importantly, let little boys into the girls' toilets. There is no physical reason for boys to need to use girls toilets: you can't play the "but they've got a manufactured 'vagina'" as they can't have had surgery. They're still intact male children. They can't change gender legally at school age, so the law says they must be treated as their true, biological gender, and rightly so.
I remember the childhood curiosity about the differences between boys & girls, and the teenage desire to see for ourselves: how much easier could it be than to turn up at school calling yourself Dorothy one day and walk straight into their changing rooms & toilets. Jackpot!

It's sad that the AG has had to actually remind schools of this basic right young girls have to a safe space.

[Devius]

Originally Posted by Alfac

Or, more importantly, let little boys into the girls' toilets. There is no physical reason for boys to need to use girls toilets: you can't play the "but they've got a manufactured 'vagina'" as they can't have had surgery. They're still intact male children. They can't change gender legally at school age, so the law says they must be treated as their true, biological gender, and rightly so.
I remember the childhood curiosity about the differences between boys & girls, and the teenage desire to see for ourselves: how much easier could it be than to turn up at school calling yourself Dorothy one day and walk straight into their changing rooms & toilets. Jackpot!

It's sad that the AG has had to actually remind schools of this basic right young girls have to a safe space.

It does appear fairly straightforward...

Ms Braverman told The Times that, because under-18s can’t legally change gender, schools are entitled to continue to treat transgender children by the gender of their birth.

“A male child who says in a school that they are a trans girl, that they want to be female, is legally still a boy or a male. And schools have a right to treat them as such under the law. They don’t have to say OK, we’re going to let you change your pronoun or let you wear a skirt or call yourself a girl’s name,” she said.

Ms Braverman said that same should apply to nonbinary children. She also said that girls’ toilets are protected spaces under the equalities act and schools should not allow transchildren to use them.

Currently only people who are 18 or over can apply for a gender recognition certificate, which legally recognises your change of gender.

The applicant also has to have lived as a transwoman or man for at least two years before applying.

Extracted from:
Attorney general says schools do not have to accommodate transgender pupils (Independent)

BTW, Ms Braverman also hailed Harry Potter author J K Rowling as her “heroine”, calling her “very brave, very courageous.”

[Alfac]

I do hope some cisphobics try to challenge this as it will sort out the rights of the actual girls versus the boys calling themselves girls without any legal basis for doing so. Adult women are under enough threat from men trying to invade their privacy without children having to suffer the same at school.

[foxbat1]

The legal challenge will be on the basis that the school has a duty to provide education for all pupils, and it can't do that if it doesn't provide suitable bathroom facilities. Same with changing rooms for PE.



That's the basis on which there is provision of things like disabled toilets.


The law badly needs updating here. Aside from anything else, it means people end up with qualifications in their old dead name.


Unfortunately, the Tories have decided that culture war bullshit is a vote winner with the Daily Mail crowd. As they did with attacks on gay people in the 80s and 90s.

[Alfac]

Originally Posted by foxbat1

The legal challenge will be on the basis that the school has a duty to provide education for all pupils, and it can't do that if it doesn't provide suitable bathroom facilities. Same with changing rooms for PE.

And the law states there are only two genders of children and the school is required to protect those two genders. It has provided all the toilet and changing facilities that are required.

Originally Posted by foxbat1

The law badly needs updating here. Aside from anything else, it means people end up with qualifications in their old dead name.

The Equality Act is a recent addition to the statute books and is fit for purpose. It protects male and female children from outside interference by transactivists & cisphobics while they are still minors and legally incapable of making such life altering decisions.

Are you also advocating that the ability to change your name by deed poll should also be revoked so that qualifications can't be from an 'old dead' name? Marriage will have to go out the door as well as the vast majority of women change their surname as a result of that process. Men are in the same boat in a lot of cases these days where couples create a new amalgamated name rather than expect the woman to lose hers.

All that's required is the legal piece of paper showing the reason for the name change and the problem is sorted: not an onerous enough task to warrant wholesale changes to civil society and the laws of the land. If you don't have a legally recognised name change document, then you haven't actually changed your name, and everything is still correct.

Originally Posted by foxbat1

Unfortunately, the Tories have decided that culture war bullshit is a vote winner with the Daily Mail crowd. As they did with attacks on gay people in the 80s and 90s.

The Equality Act 2010 was created under the last Labour government: odd they would be looking to the Daily Mail for support...

[foxbat1]

Coalition loss: ‘The transphobe thing was an absolute disaster’

In the final campaign of his prime ministership, Scott Morrison picked some fights and ran from others. The order in which he was willing to do so – against transgender people first, and later the superannuation industry – says more about the man’s character than perhaps anything else he did in office.

It also explains a key strategic failure in the six-week election campaign, which has obliterated a generation of Liberal Party talent, evacuated Perth of any federal representation and nearly gutted Melbourne.

Morrison was happy to attack transgender kids in particular because they could not fight back. The $3.4 trillion superannuation industry, however, was a different matter.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/...e-disaster#mtr


Good on the Australians for getting rid of him.


Meanwhile in the UK we now have a skeleton outline of the challenge to any school that doesn't provide suitable facilities for uniforms for trans children. The basis will be the Human Rights Act, which takes precedent other legislation. While children cannot legally change their sex in most cases, they still have human rights and it's already well established that their gender assignment at birth is unimportant.