The Infectious/Contagious Disease Thread.

[Tucsoncoyote]

COVID 19.. We've been through a tough 3.5 years, and we thought it was licked? Correct? Well it's not over.. not by a long shot.

But COVID is the least of our worries, as it has a low fatality rate only 1% of the people infected (By whatever means), unusually die..


But this isn't about just COVID, we're talking all infectious diseases, including things like the Spanish (Swine) Flu, better known as H5N1. I that instance between 1917 and 1920, approximately a third of the world was in fact, it's been estimated that between 10 and 100 million people died and that was when the world had only a population of 5.4 billion. And this was before doctors even knew about viruses.

Then let's talk about the Third Deadliest Disease in the world's history, namely a disease called rubeola, but we know it by a different name, Measles. at least 600 million people dead more than half of them children. And this is over the entire history of the world.


The second deadliest disease in the world? It's been around since we've been keeping records, and in fact it has killed about as many as measles but many of them were adults. And that was until 1793. when a cure was found and the age of Vaccinations began.. As of 1980, the virus was eradicated, and now only 2 samples of this disease remain. One in a lab in Russia, the other is in the United States, at the Biosecurity Level 4 lab located at the CDC in Atlanta, Goargia. It's know as Variola, but we know it by another name, and that is of course Smallpox.

The deadliest Disease in the history of the world? Well to be honest, it's not COVID, and It's not Ebola either.. It's a disease that has killed close to 6 billion people world wide... and this is over 5-10 thousand years of record keeping.. and it wasn't until a scientist by the name of Lois Pasteur invented a vaccine to keep us safe...and it's not just 1 shot, but rather 10 shots.. to fight a disease we can get from anywhere, It's known as Lyssa, but if you see any dog that's foaming at the mouth, we all know what it is. it's Rabies. (that's right.. Rabies).

But ever since COVID hit back in late 2019, hence the name COVID 19, people tend to forget about other diseases. And some even haven't gotten started yet.. Like one that was discovered in 1976, and was given the name Ebola for a River near the first reported case, and while rabies is deadly, Ebola has a 70% kill rate.. 70 Times worse then COVID. or 700Times worse than the seasonal flu. Imagine if this got out into the world , instead of hanging around Central Africa. where it's currently killed 15,266 people since 1976. but still imagine if this 70% of fatalities were world wide... It would mean humanity might have to start over.. But luckily it came close to escaping the area and almost became world wide. But thanks to preparedness only a few cases made it out, and only 2-3 people died outside of the Afriecan region.

Now most of these things I've spoke abut are in fact Viruses. But there are other diseases that aren't viruses. Take one of the most heard about bacteria that killed 75 to 200 million people. and this one took only 6 years to spread across the Eurasian Continent between 1347 and 1353. It was spread by rats who were infected with fleas, and the fleas got onto humans and the disease known as "The Black Death" raged through the known world at that time. But ths bacteria has a better name we know. It's Bubonic Plague

But viruses and Bacteria are two of the ways diseases can spread. The third is Fungi.. Or fungus. and perhaps one of the least known diseases out there is perhaps one of the most confusing to all of us. It's a disease known as, coccidioidomycosis, or "Cocci" for short. It's prevalent in the Western United States and it known as "Valley Fever" it lives in the Hot dry climes of California and the Desert Southwest, and it can leave you miserable, as it sometimes lays dormant in your lungs, but when it feels like it, it can ravage your lungs, living like a parasite inside you until you die. and how many people die from this? About 75 per year.. A smaller number than COVID or even the seasonal flu.

In the end, there are over 10,000 different diseases that can affect humans. That's a lot. And I've only scratched the surface.. But right now we're facing a new potential pandemic, and I found this one article in a rarely read magazine where right now of the 86 cases reported in China.. 52% of these cases resulted in death.. that's 52 times the rate of COVID. and yet this was discovered in 1997, in Japan and it's been slowly growing ever since. Could 2023 or 2024 be the year this one sweeps the world? It's almost like a nightmare waiting to happen. But we all dismiss it like it's nothing. Yet back in 1917 when the Spanish Flu broke out, some virologists suggest that this virus merged with the swine Flu and made a deadly concoction that took all those lives...It current comes in 4 forms: H3N8, H7N2, H9N2, and the most current version H5N1, which is highly pathogenic.. But we know it by two simple words.. "Bird Flu" but this virus isn't just in birds. Just this year alone in just 9 moths, It's jumped from Seals and Sea Lions, to Minks, Red Foxes, White Tailed Deer and the Domesticated Cats and dogs, and just now it's starting to show up in Humans.. with that 52% kill rate to it..


But like I said, 10,000 diseases to choose from it doesn't matter if it's a fungus, a bacteria or a virus and some some folks have never head of Like Ni pah from India, Or MERS From the Middle east. or even ones you never have heard of like Eastern Equine Encephalitis. Other swe know about like Yellow Fever, Typhoid and Malaria, Not to mention Cholera.


But this thread is different from the COVID thread.. In one way: Any virus can be talked about. And I've given folks a few examples.. Even Tuberculosis is in this group.. 10,000 diseases, and no waiting.. Even innocuous ones like Lyme Disease are included, as well as Legionnaire's Disease Anything goes in this discussion . You want to talk about AIDS? You got it, You want to see the ramifications of a disease? You got it.. Any disease that can infect or be transmitted are accepted.. After all, we don't know what's out there.. But it's all out there waiting, watching, wanting to do it's thing. To thrive and survive, and if need be, Kill everyone it can.. And even things like Masking and Anti-vaxxing are allowed.. I'd like to see some of these folks step up to the plate and try and take a swing as to why their system worlds (or doesn't).

Because when you boil it all down. Diseases are nothing to sneeze at.. (or sneezed to someone). A simple handshake can kill, as can a kiss, or sex. This head is for every equal opportunity disease. if it can infect you anyway it can. it's welcome.

In the end, diseases can kill and leave people mister ale.. It can even leave you breathless, or even dead... In all this disease is for you the common folks who have nothing better to do than talk about wars, Famines, and of course Plagues.. Because the next disease pandemic is around the corner. And as one Doctor said, "The current Pandemic is over, when the next one begins.. " And right now, the next one is waiting for us to slip up and get a foothold on us, then it'll be up to our cunning and wit and our science to help keep us save.. Else we could end up like we did with COVID. Unprepared, Misinformed, and doing stupid things to keep this things going..


I should know. I got COVID some 1,370 days after it started. I think the thing is I did get a bit careless. Maybe I was too close to someone who had the disease. Or maybe it just decided to drop in and say Hello. But in the end, it's miserable to be down with any disease.. Even Chicken Pox...And it can be painful too.


But in the end, diseases come and go, they spread and they maim, and in some cases they kill. And it's this last part that breaks my heart a bit more every day.. But like I said, if we're prepared, we can take diseases like small pox and relegate it to the past.. But if we don't ? Then the diseases can think and plot and plan. It's the age old question of "Is it alive? Some say no, but I say yes. It's the way we look at disease, and how we approach it that makes us either safe.. or dead.

And that's why this thread is now open.. have it it, humanity.. discuss, talk about it, and above all . Learn. Because if we don't learn from history and examples, we're doomed to repeat it.

[FrankDobe]

best of luck on this thread Tusconcoyote. may you have thoughtful commentary and meaningful dialogues.

as much as tornados, earthquakes, and a meteor striking earth may scare us, it is the unseen microbiobes that may very well spell the end for us all.

way past time that scientists start being listened to rather than mocked.

[hoss]

The deadliest disease? Humans. I think the combination of human ignorance, fear and aggression is the most dangerous and infectious disease this planet suffers from.

[Tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by hoss

The deadliest disease? Humans. I think the combination of human ignorance, fear and aggression is the most dangerous and infectious disease this planet suffers from.

Well, I've give you a clue.. And This new story I found about Covid deals with what we don't already know.. And that is White Tailed Deer are helping Mutate the COVID virus faster than normal.. So yeah , But as for your guess. Guess again... because it does come from Animals.


Bats Carry it, Birds, Carry it, Even Dogs and Cats and Squirrels not to mention any wild animal can carry the Deadliest disease in the world.. But hey you want to be dancing around, acting like a zombie ? Feel free. Because the Answer is Lyssa.. Lyssa virus, which goes by a different name. Something that Kills 60,000 people a year, 30,000 of them Children.. and that's if it is left untreated.. It can take 10 to 21 days for it to reach your brain.. But once it's done it's work, you'll be a drooling mess complete with encephalitis.



And if you start Drooling , I'll have to put you down like Ol' Yeller..(and in fact I don't want you to be a zombie either..

[Tucsoncoyote]

A who representative for the Emergency Action team for COVID said it best..


"The Pandemic is truly Over, when the next one begins."

And that was Dr. Mike Ryan of the COVID Emergency repsonse team for the World Health Organization... and you know what? He's right, the pandemic is still ongoing, but since we got new infectious diseases (actually not all of them are new.. some are old throwbacks..) , the thing is.. These small little outbreaks could flare up into a epidemic or even worse a pandemic.. All it takes is the right conditions.. just like a giggle.


Just 9 hours ago, the CDC had reported the 35 cases of Measles in the United States, including 6 in Florida..And this is just in the last week...



One School district in Broward County has had all 6 of those cases of measles, and they've done everything they can.. Because it's up to Parents to decide, but in the case of Florida, it makes me wonder if the Public Health Department is on the same page as the CDC.. To them, the issue at hand, is the "Oh it's the parent's issue, not ours." Kind of mentality.. and it's this kind of dangerous thinking that could take 35 cases and In fact turn them into 3,500... After all when a virus spreads, it does so at an exponential rate, Not Linear, like some people think.. A good example is of course COVID.. From January 1 till April we went from 1 case to 100,000.. and within a few months, we were up to 1 million infections, and 10,000 dead, but this spiraled out of control till today COVID has Infected 700 million Plus people and have killed in excess of 7 million... and this is just a disease we knew nothing about...


But measles? it's a different story.. We knew about this for 1200 years, we know the signs, the symptoms and what not, and in this age of medical advances, a lot of people are deciding not to vaccinate their kids.. so if this is that reasoning, we could be setting ourselves up for mumours outbreaks which could expand into an epidemic or worse, a pandemic.. Just like COVID did.



So we got to be vigilant.. but some folks don't even bother to take the time to make their kids safe.. Heck back in 2015, a 52 year old woman in Washington state died of Measles, The first time in that sate in over a decade..


But Measles is the least of our worries. Take Brazil for example.. Right now, Brazil has a major outbreak of Dengue fever , thanks to all those mosquitoes.. But Mosquitoes carry more than one disease sometimes, and from what i've read and looked at.. Mosquitoes, are natures perfect Carrier for at least 6 types of Disease ranging from Dengue (Pronounces Den-Gee) Fever to Malaria, to Yellow fever to Rheumatic Fever which can affect the heart, to West Nile Virus , and even Zika.. 6 diseases, zero waiting .. And right now Dengue is running amok in Brazil...


And then there's the 800 pound pigeon in the room, namely the Bird Flu...



Ever since 1997, Bird Flu has been around and from 2003 till now there have been 252 cases and 160 of them ending up in the grave.. that's a 64% kill rate.. compare that to the 1-3% COVID had during it's run.. Now imagine COVID, but 64 to 65 times worse.. And in fact the last two cases showed up in Cambodia and in Hong Kong, so far those two haven't been fatal (yet0 but the week before? 2 cases, 1 death, a 9 year old boy from Hong Kong died, and his 16 year old brother now is siting in the hospital probably wonder if he'll be joining his brother.. Who knows what might happen.. After all the bird flu is wiping out species as well like "The Pirate of the sea The Skula..





I mean Polar bears and Penguins aren't even safe anymore.. as Bird Flu is literally at both poles at the moment.. and yet, humans so far haven't been severely affected....yet..


I'm just waiting for first one then ten people show up at a hospital with the same symptoms. It happened i n1918 with the "Spanish Flu"and that happened in Kansas... and then sweat the world killing 10-100 million people globally.. and it infected 1.8 billion people.. (out of the world's then population of about 5.4 billion...


And yet this brings up a question.. What will happen when a virus shows up that will be much like COVID but from a natural form? No Lab Leaks, no chance events.. But we've seen it before, back in 2014 and 2015 with Ebola.. which has been around for just 50 years.. And yet in 2014 and 2015, it almost became a "Break out " Virus... Imagine a virus that is so lethal that you have a 70% chance of dying.. Instead of the 20-40 % with measles... or the 64% with Bird flu... After all as the WHO also points out, there's "Disease X" the unknown variant. It'll be a real game changer when it happens.. It's just a matter of time, evolution and natural selection, not to mention a lot of stupid luck.. and we bring the luck... COVID proved that.. People thought about themselves and not others... I wonder how people will react if it were say the bird flu, or Ebola, or something else.. Like Dengue... In short, this is more like a roll the dice and hope it doesn't come up a 7.. which happens about 1 in 6 times when you do roll the diced... statistically speaking that is..




And if you think Measles is a local issue in places like Floria, then you haven't read this one which happened around Christmas, just two months ago.. An adolescent traveler was tested Positive for measles in Denver.. and he had been around Christmas, some 2 months ago...



but then how about leaving you with this final story.. and this one shows how worrisome and bothersome some viruses can be, and yes, it's the measles yet again, this time in Ohio, as they confirmed some folks at a local grocery store got infected with Measles.



And that right there about sums it up.. After all I wouldn't be surprised if the person who got all those people exposed was really just a child.. You know how kids are.. Picking up things in stores, while mom and dad have their hands full.. you get the idea... Or maybe the parents didn't care.. and many parents today just let their kids run around a store putting their hands on everything.. and I mean everything...


it is ironic that even though COVID is over.. the threat of other diseases including measles still exist.. and yet some states like Florida want to buck the tend. So it makes me wonder.. how much longer do we have till the COVID Pandemic is truly over because the next one has begun? Days, Weeks? Months ? years? Personally I think the time has passed and the New Pandemics have begun.. they'll start as a trickle.. but once the dam bursts, you are at the mercy of the disease... And you best send up a Prayer flare up if you want to live...


Seems funny tat in today's age of being able to live to 90, it will only take a few diseases to lower that life span back to 73... Trust me, my own grandfather went tough the Spanish Flu, and lived to the age of 92, when the average age of a person in 1977 was just under 70...



Ironic that here I sit at 61, and wonder to myself, will I end up like my mom's father, my grandfather who somehow got a good roll of the dice or will I die before I make it to 70.. when the average life span, today is now just 73...



To put it in the words of a gambler.. Let's roll the dice and find out... after all the dice don't know what the dice did last time.. Maybe we'll get back to that 52 yer old life expectancy we had.. back in 1918...


Or we could be dead tomorrow.. Time to roll the die and find out.. Cause the COVID pandemic is truly over, as the new ones are a coming for us all.

[Tucsoncoyote]

Alright time to go back to the measles outbreaks we are having here in the United States..



As of today there are 35 cases i America across 15 states that are measles.. and of those 8 of them are from one school in Broward County Florida.



And what is the Public Health Department doing about this? Absolutely nothing. The reason is because of the fact that the Florida state Surgeon General thinks it's not important...


Yet Measles can turn deadly especially to the elderly as well as to kids. And you would think the Florida Surgeon General would be at least a little concerned...


But nope, he's not.. to him, Measles are nothing to him.. Yet this has left a lot of Florida state Doctors who are angry at him , with good reason.



In fact Measles are one of the most Contagious diseases out there with Infection rates of anywhere from 80-90%... and that's when the disease is in it's incubation stage which usually lasts from 1-2 weeks on average..


And Measles can affect anyone who isn't vaccinated.. and this includes people who are either 52 years old to as young as 8 or 9. and that 52 year old woman who died, exposes the threat of what Anti-vaxxers are trying to prove.. That the vaccines don't work... But instead in the caseof the 9 year old girl, she wasn't vaccinated, so the Anti-vaxxers are setting up for their children to take a risk and possibly die of measles.. (Measles by the way, has a 30 to 40% mortality rate..)




and here's a video I found that makes a startling point.. The richer you are, the more likely you won't vaccinate, and a lot of this stems from Misinformation. And the anti-vaxxer crowd is helping fan the flames of this type of conflict.. so the real question is do you want to vaccinate dor not..


But what's worse is this.. and this compounds the problem that misinformation gives... Doctors who have never seen a case of measles in most of their life time, are now starting to see this happen, and more so than ever before..


I personally thing some folks like Antivaxxers tend to take the ideas that the little bits of Misinformation (Without further evidence or proof and point this out to parents who are responsible..Trying to convince others of the dangers of vaccines.



But what if say this wasn't measles, but rather something like Polio? Would those ant-ivaxxers consider the fact that they run the risk of putting whoever they want into an iron lung? or what if this was rabies or the bubonic Plague.. or even the Bird Flu ?what would happen if a small outbreak suddenly turn into a local, regional or statewide epidemic? I doubt Measles would be as bad as it was say back in the 9th century, But then it could happen. I'm not saying it will. but rather it could..



Measles is a old disease.. 1200 + Years of this disease and people dismiss it as if it is nothing? It's because it's the same problem the doctors have.. Very few people have seen a single measles case, and that they assume that the measles outbreak is either..


A) a fluke, that it doesn't exist.. or,

B) It's all about religion and politics...


And if you look at it that way, we all know why some folks don't vaccinate, they do it because of B. (the politics and Religious aspects...).



This is why you never mix science with Religion or Politics, cause science often loses only to be vindicated when these small outbreaks occur..


But if people want measles to happen, it's their choice to..



But it's also true if you have it happen and people start dying because of it..

So the question is.. Do you want to run the risk of not getting a shot, and going to someone's funeral, or do you take a jab and realize the anti-vaxxers are wrong with their information ..


Because when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me..




I feel some people want to be safe and cautious, others want to be totally reckless when it comes to disease.. But I bet if they realize we had over 1 million people die and we're still losing up to 1500 a week due to COVId, the real question is.. how many lives have to be lost until people wise up?


That is if they had half a brain to reason this out.. I personally think that they tend to forget that...


But what do you think? Leave your comments in the posts below..

[Tucsoncoyote]

Getting back to the issue of Measles... here's the latest data we have on it..


Back in 2000 (Some 24) years ago, the CDC and the WHO stated that the measles were a thing of the past.. But here it is, 2024, and in fact measles is making a comeback... with a vengeance...


In the United States so far, there have been 36 cases of measles , and this is across 16 states, and the District of Columbia. and of all 36 cases, almost a quarter of them reside in Florida. And it's the health Department in Florida that is setting up things for a potential major outbreak of measles in Florida..


Also here's something to think about.. and this is more like a gamble than anything. Would you want to risk a child's life by not getting them vaccinated? I got proof here with this video courtesy of CBS News, about the dangers of measles.. and why some parents are really rolling the dice.. But , it's not only with their own kids, but also others...


First off Measles is highly contagious whne you are first exposed to it.. and there is a 90% Infectivity rate.. 90%, mind you... and most of these cases that are being detected are because these young people are travelling with their parents to other countries...Maybe for a vaccation, or a business trip... and outside the United States, not everywhere is "Measles Free." so most of those people who bring measles in are mostly travellers who are coming home to roost and get back to their daily lives.. not realizing that this disease can be dormant for up to 4 days before the first symptoms appear... But what's worse is that for children under the age of 1, a lot of these younger children are at major risk of being compromised with measles, and since most doctors recommend that children older than one get the Measles Mumps, Rubeola (German Meases) combination, most of these children could end up in the hospital. But then so can anyone over the age of 20, including those who are immuno compromised, or even elderly.. Back in the 2010's one 52 year old woman died of measles here in the US..


So when these parents, some of them which are anti-vaxxers , or make some excuse for not getting their kids vaccinated, they are really not only gambling with their child's life, but also other's lives as well.. Some of them elderly, some immune compromised, and of course anyone else..


What is worst, is that this virus could be in the same room as you for up to 2 hours after the infected person leaving the room... So you get the idea of what might happen.


And yet....


Florida is being the ones not following recommended practices for the measles.. and what they are doing is putting their population at risk.


So in the end, even if the school boards are recommending vaccination, the Florida surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo. who I feel right now is not wanting to hear out the real science behind this..
After all, if this is going to happen, then you could have a lot of kids sick, and possibly sidelined, as well as Elderly and Immune-compromised people at risk. And that righ tthere is a scary thought..And people say Ignorance is bliss? Bliss can leave you in the hospital.. Or the grave...


that's why people need to be vigilant here.. and for good reason... Because while COVID 19 has a 1% chance of killing someone, Measles has a 1 i 5 Chance (or 20% of putting someone in the hospital and worse, in the grave... Not good odds .. but then there's always rolling 7 on a pair of dice.. it's 1 in 6.. or 16%..


So you see where I am going with this..


This is why people who do this stuff, is going to get people in the hospital.. By being ignorant..


I'll leave it at that.. because if you want your kids to be sick, Go right ahead, but if you want the kids to bring it home to you, and their younger siblings, ask yourself a question.. is it worth the 20% chance of ending up in the hospital a far lot worse off then you need to be.. Those are not good odds.. considering you are now having a disease that is 20 times worse off than COVID..


So take care, keep safe, and if you feel sick, might want to talk to a doctor..

[FrankDobe]

agreed tusconcoyote...one thing to decide against vaccinating your children...quite another to release those walking petri dishes onto the rest of socity.

so many red states are charging women with manslaugher for miscarriages. what charge would be fitting here ? entire communities could land in the hospital with many fatalities.

but hey ! rugged invidualism...right ayn randers ?

despicable.

[Tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by FrankDobe

agreed tusconcoyote...one thing to decide against vaccinating your children...quite another to release those walking petri dishes onto the rest of socity.

so many red states are charging women with manslaugher for miscarriages. what charge would be fitting here ? entire communities could land in the hospital with many fatalities.

but hey ! rugged invidualism...right ayn randers ?

despicable.

""Laddie, would you remind Re-phrasing that?" -- Montgomery Scott, Chief Engineer, USS Enterprise.


And this is what happens when you let one child with measles into a hospital with up to 300 people sitting in the emergency room with him. And people complain about not wearing a mask because of their freedom? Hope they enjoy it... cause for the next 14 days, potentially some of these folks might be seeing a lot of a red rash on their face, and next and arms, and well wheresoever that's visible


(I'd like to see a beautiful nude woman covered i Measles please! Oh AI artwork can probably do that already!)



But this is just one example of what might happen if you let a bunch of spring breakers invade Fort Lauder dale (or anywhere in Florida) when you got a potential measles outbreak / regional outbreak happening..



I Mean Doctors in Florida, California and now even Illinois are in fact now majorly worried.. Oh did I mention Chicago? Well there you go, and I'll even serve up some of that Deep Dish Chicago Pizza everyone is having complete with red spots.. (No, wait that 's pepperoni, no, no, it's measles!)


But people really don't realize one thing.. Back in 2019.. (yes the year before we got the COVID), We had a total of 869 770 cases, and that was world wide.. Deaths due to measles also that year shot up by 50%
to 207,500 dead, world wide to put that into hard figures, the number of cases that one year ealon (2019) per-pandemic, was 23.85% and to think in 2018 , there were103,750 deaths


But then data can and always will be skewed in the ways you manipulate the data. But people tend to think that measles are dead.. that it's like Small pox.. and at one point in the late 1990's and early 2000's we actually had measles on the ropes... and we could have knocked it out.. But then the "Freedom" of not having your shots.. or letting your kids go to a school without measles. In fact, most schools try to maintain a 95% vaccination rate in order to keep up the "Herd Immunity" idealisms.. But between 2020 and 2024, we found out the hard way that the so called "herd Immunity" idealism has not worked for COVID, and I doubt it should work for measles.. After all, COVID showed the world what it could do, and if that's the case, the same could be for measles.. after all if you get a variant of a variant, of a variant, the variants could end up a lot worse.. Another good analogy is MRSA which is drug resistant bacteria... and when you get to that point, all bets are off.. Because what if right now we are helping to create a "Super-bug of sorts, that could do a major bit of damage.. After all look at the Bubonic Plague/Black death.. Before it was over 7 years later in 1353, this one disease killed anywhere from 75 to 200 million dead... and that was a 7 year pandemic...of the then known world..


See, Never ever count the disease which is on the ropes out.. Cause all it takes is to let your guard down for a moment, and it could give you a right uppercut to the jaw and leav eyou sprawled out on the hospital bed, or worse, a coffin..


That's the thing about viruses.. Never ever count them out.. Small pox if it ever got out of a lab, could actually set back over 300 years of progress.. and Like I said, Let's not get me started on Ebola.. Not going to touch that one with out some form of protection..


In closing, the smart thing to do is get vaccinated.. if you have to go to the hospital, do so but protect yourself.. all it too was 1 child to infect 300 potentially, and if those 300 did their usual daily lives, then inside of a week a million people could be infected.. all because people want their freedom. Some time Freedom comes at a cost, and some times you have to sacrifice some freedoms to be alive.. because if you have too much freedom, it could come back to haunt you... with a funeral.



And I'll leave it at that..

[otokonomidori]

Athlete's Foot - that's a right bastard, and a mask won't help a bit.