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[qwerty007]

Originally Posted by grossnex

Sorry to leave you hanging off a cliff with that question Qwerty. Real life came calling . You seem about the same age as me Qwerty my brother (maybe a little bit older), so I have a question for you. It's completely off topic, but hell it's a porn forum so I'll try to make it somewhat relevant to the overall scheme of things. I'm going to be 35 in a few weeks & I've been spending some time with a 20 year old girl. Is it normal to feel like you've been run over by a bus after a night with a 20 year old when you're about 35? These porn guys in the movies make this crap look way too easy! I'm hurtin' for certain my brother!

LeBron James is crazy as far as I'm concerned. He's buying another mansion to live in before he can even sell the old 1? He's going to have a hard time selling that home. Cleveland doesn't exactly make the top 10 list of most desirable places to live in the US. You would have to make a ton of money to be able to afford a mansion anywhere, so they're going to have to try to attract a wealthy local. Drew Carey maybe? I can't think of any other celebrity who lives in the area that would want to live in "LeBron's House." There are celebrities like Jerry Seinfeld who have had problems selling their mansions in The Hamptons out on Long Island!

This is a problem I'll probably never have to worry about. Even if I had the money, I would be more interested in the land aspect of buying a house. My house would be modest, but it would be a quarter mile drive up to the house.

So - are you really asking for advice or are you just trying to make us feel jealous. Yah - I've got a couple more years on you, but I used to play a lot of sports when I was younger, so I'm in pretty good shape. My advice to you is this (and I'm going to use a sporting reference). Magic Johnson once said that as you get older you have to use less physical means, and use your head more, in order to win. He knew he was losing a step so he became more 'cagey'.

So - what I would do, is to work off some of that youthful energy (in the sack) by various techniques. In other words, you expend less energy by making HER spend more. Don't try to pound the hell out of her.

Lemme know if you require specific details, and I'll break out the playbook

Agreed with the house issues. I would even consider renting...(while jamming my paychecks into bullet proof T-bills)

ON A SIDE NOTE

Michael Jordon came out today and...said he was gay..

Sorry - locker room humour. He came out and said that he would have never sought out Larry Bird or Magic Johnson in an effort to win Championships in the NBA. In his words, he wanted to beat them....not join them.

I'm thinking the LeBron legacy is going to take a hammering.

[grossnex]

Originally Posted by qwerty007

So - are you really asking for advice or are you just trying to make us feel jealous. Yah - I've got a couple more years on you, but I used to play a lot of sports when I was younger, so I'm in pretty good shape. My advice to you is this (and I'm going to use a sporting reference). Magic Johnson once said that as you get older you have to use less physical means, and use your head more, in order to win. He knew he was losing a step so he became more 'cagey'.

So - what I would do, is to work off some of that youthful energy (in the sack) by various techniques. In other words, you expend less energy by making HER spend more. Don't try to pound the hell out of her.

Lemme know if you require specific details, and I'll break out the playbook

Agreed with the house issues. I would even consider renting...(while jamming my paychecks into bullet proof T-bills)

ON A SIDE NOTE

Michael Jordon came out today and...said he was gay..

Sorry - locker room humour. He came out and said that he would have never sought out Larry Bird or Magic Johnson in an effort to win Championships in the NBA. In his words, he wanted to beat them....not join them.

I'm thinking the LeBron legacy is going to take a hammering.

I'm not rubbing it in at all my brother . I was really just wondering if maybe I should start working out again or something . Going to a playbook is what got me into this mess to begin with. She wanted to pop in a porn dvd & try stuff she hadn't done before. If all I was doing is pounding her I'd feel fine. But, doing crap I haven't even thought of doing flexibilty wise in 15 years or so just messed me up. Well, nothing a tube of Icy Hot can't fix. Twenty year olds are like a blue moon for me my brother - don't come around very often. My own age & even up to 50 is my usual speed. This crap could kill me

I think Jordan coming out & saying what he did was the greatest thing I've seen in a long time. Here's a guy (Jordan) who could've went to any team he wanted to at any time when his contracts were up. The Knicks had a fantasy of signing him for years before his retirement. MJ was one of those special players that from a franchise's point of view is worth his weight in gold. He could've made $30 Million a year & it was still worth it to sign him because his contract payed for itself through various officially licensed team memorabilia. I saw a lot of his jerseys in Jersey, I'll tell ya

But, he chose to stay with the team that drafted him out of college & lobby management to give him the surrounding help that he needed. As he said, he wanted to beat Bird & Magic - not play with them. He got that out of the way winning the Gold Medal with The Dream Team at the Olympics. He didn't want to win an NBA Championship with them. He wanted to beat them to win it. Got to love the concept .

But, speaking of The Dream Team, do you think it was fair or foul that the US sent what is considered by many to be the greatest assemblage of superstars to ever compete in an International Tournament to the Olympics? Most of that team are on the NBA's own 50 Greatest Players of All Time List.

[qwerty007]

Originally Posted by grossnex

But, speaking of The Dream Team, do you think it was fair or foul that the US sent what is considered by many to be the greatest assemblage of superstars to ever compete in an International Tournament to the Olympics? Most of that team are on the NBA's own 50 Greatest Players of All Time List.

Completely fair. I cannot remember when, but didn't Dream Team 3 or 4 struggle and win only bronze (maybe in a world championship or something), a few years ago? I recall Magic coming out and blasting the then 'stars' of the team for thinking that all they had to do was show up and they'd be anointed champs. (Just goes to show how great those guys on DT 1 really were...)

How about a new QOTD.

The Team: Philadelphia Eagles

The Player: Michael Vick

The Deal: The shooting of co-defendant Quanis Phillips.

What do you think will happen to Vick? His parole officer has revoked his permission to leave the state of Pennsylvania and they are digging around the details of his story. Needless to say; he is on a very short leash (pun intended)! What will be the outcome? Is he in an Eagles uniform come Game 1?

[grossnex]

This one is a tough one Qwerty my brother. A lot of these "details" about the incident are going to wind up being rumor & innuendo. We had the same kind of situation with Marvin Harrison last year & Ray Lewis in 2000. I really need to hear more because I just can't convict a guy in the court of public opinion. I generally wait until the trial starts.

But, the fact that we're even having this conversation about this specific player speaks volumes about the sense of entitlement in the NFL. The Eagles were the only team that would realistically take a chance on this convicted felon who spent 2 years in a federal prison. Now it seems as if he's smacking them in the face for that decision to sign him. He obviously wasn't humbled by shackles, iron bars & an accumulated loss of tens of millions of dollars that he signed for in Atlanta when he was in his prime. Does he even realize the effect he's having on kids that idolize him? There's a statue of this guy outside of Virginia Tech, because he put that school on the national map. He's even embarrassing his alma mater. I remember when his younger brother was trying to reach the NFL, but nobody would give him a real chance because of all the character issues surrounding him. The talking heads would say, "Why can't he be more like his brother Micheal?" As it turns out, the younger Vick was the better citizen.

I think as long as there are no charges levied on him, he'll be playing in Philadelphia next year if the NFL doesn't get involved. I don't get the impression from Eagles management that they're that stringent when it comes to player conduct. I can see a couple of game suspension if it were up to them. The NFL however should in my opinion, throw the book at Vick. Whether or not he's found guilty or even charged with anything. I would suspend him for a mandatory year this time & only reinstate him if I'm convinced that there has been a severe change in attitude. If he's convicted for this down the road, then I think the court system made the decision for the NFL. By the time he gets out, no team will want him. OK, maybe the Raiders would take a chance.

[scoundrel]

I rather think Michael Vick may be entirely despicable, a character trait to which very few men can hope to aspire. Dog fighting? The man earned millions of dollars and spent his down time on illegal dog fighting.

Is he shopping for a new house too? I know just the neighbourhood.

[crazybikerme]

When England's Channel 4 first broadcast the NFL in the early 80s, the big teams were the L.A. Raiders & The Washington Redskins. The Oilers were in Houston, The Cardinals in St.Louis and the Rams in L.A.

Now if you lived in L.A., you had a choice of 2 teams. New York the same though I guess the Jets has an Irish following? But if you live in Nebraska, Alaska, Oregon etc, no franchise, who do you follow. The nearest geographical team or simply anyone?

For me, being English, we love the underdog, hence why I follow the Saints, The 'Ain'ts' when I started, but you Americans love winners, so back then, Saints, Bucs & Falcons, wouldn't have been much of an attraction.

I guess the traditional Big teams are Green Bay? Pittsburgh? Dallas? But what if your franchise quits town? Do that town's fans quit their support? I mean confusing . You're a Cardinals fan. They quit town. You still support them and then the Rams come to town??

I've seen the Saints in the Superdome and at Wembley. I've also seen the Raiders in London. I love all the razzmataz that goes with the NFL. Especially the cheerleaders!!

Anyway, did I mention my boyz will win back to back Superbowls!!?

[keefriff]

Originally Posted by Hilts

When England's Channel 4 first broadcast the NFL in the early 80s, the big teams were the L.A. Raiders & The Washington Redskins. The Oilers were in Houston, The Cardinals in St.Louis and the Rams in L.A.

Now if you lived in L.A., you had a choice of 2 teams. New York the same though I guess the Jets has an Irish following? But if you live in Nebraska, Alaska, Oregon etc, no franchise, who do you follow. The nearest geographical team or simply anyone?

For me, being English, we love the underdog, hence why I follow the Saints, The 'Ain'ts' when I started, but you Americans love winners, so back then, Saints, Bucs & Falcons, wouldn't have been much of an attraction.

I guess the traditional Big teams are Green Bay? Pittsburgh? Dallas? But what if your franchise quits town? Do that town's fans quit their support? I mean confusing . You're a Cardinals fan. They quit town. You still support them and then the Rams come to town??

I've seen the Saints in the Superdome and at Wembley. I've also seen the Raiders in London. I love all the razzmataz that goes with the NFL. Especially the cheerleaders!!

Anyway, did I mention my boyz will win back to back Superbowls!!?

Good questions Hilts! IMO there are three primary ways that you find teams to cheer for if you don't have a home team. I lived for a few years in a Midwestern state that had no proffesional teams in any sports. The populace tended to cheer for the team that was closest to where you lived in that state. Western part of the state cheered for Kansas City, Southern part cheered for KC and the St. Louis Rams, Northern part cheered for Vikings and Green Bay, Eastern part cheered for Chicago and Green Bay. So I think closest team has something to do with that. I also think that the team who's games are broadcast the most in your area is also one that you might tend to cheer for. Which games they broadcast is based primarily on geography so it falls into the first thing I said. The third, at least for me, was who your Dad or brothers cheered for. That either got you to cheer for that team or ardently oppose them. Now I also think that teams that have a certain mystique about them, the Raiders, Steelers, Packers and Cowboys, tend to get alot of fans because they like what they appear to represent. And don't forget, college sports are HUGE in non-proffesional states. I have to disagree a little bit with what you said about America loving winners. I thiink America loves an underdog just as much as a winner. Historically dominant teams like the Cowboys or Yankees in baseball have huge fan bases but they also garner more hate than most teams. I think that Americans like to cheer for underdogs when they are playing against perennial winners. Like I said in an earlier post, 99% of the country was cheering for the Saints last year in the SB and they are or have been an ultimate underdog. With respect to cheering for teams that leave your town and go somewhere else, speaking from personal experience, I can't cheer for a team that left my town. Maybe others feel different but when the North Stars left to go to Dallas, I never cheered for them again. I would wager a bet that there are hardly any people in St. Louis still cheering for the Cardinals or Baltimore residents cheering for the Colts.

[tygrkhat40]

Originally Posted by Hilts

I guess the traditional Big teams are Green Bay? Pittsburgh? Dallas? But what if your franchise quits town? Do that town's fans quit their support? I mean confusing . You're a Cardinals fan. They quit town. You still support them and then the Rams come to town??

Fan loyalty and city loyalty are sometimes two different things. Talk to Baltimoreans about the Colts or Seattlites about the Sonics and you'll get a combination of love for the team and invective about how the teams left town. I still find it highhly ironic the way the Colts left Baltimore, they then did to Cleveland.

I'm not a big an NBA fan because the Buffalo Braves were moved away in 1978, so I lost interest in pro basketball. And as a Bills fan, we live with the the spectres of a 90+ year old owner who isn't leaving the team to his children and a metropolitan area with a depressed economy and dwindling population.

But despite this, I'm optimistic about the Bills' future in Buffalo. The destination that most people think is inevitable for the Bills is Toronto. I don't see it happening as there are multiple obstacles to that happening. First, the Rogers Centre is too small, only seating about 52,000 for a game. And it's a lousy place to see anything, it's so damn big. So a new arena would need to be built and there's no space in Toronto, so you'd have to go north of the city to build it, plus infrastructure. So to buy the team and build a new facility would run possibly up to $3 billion.

Second, the civic government of Toronto has come out against the Bills being there full time, and third, there's the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL. In the past, the federal government of Canada has acted against American football trying to gain permanent foothold in Canada.

Fans love their teams, but at the NFL and NBA level, it's a business. So if the fans are hurt because the grass is greener on the other side, then the fans are SOL.

[keefriff]

Originally Posted by tygrkhat40

Fan loyalty and city loyalty are sometimes two different things. Talk to Baltimoreans about the Colts or Seattlites about the Sonics and you'll get a combination of love for the team and invective about how the teams left town. I still find it highhly ironic the way the Colts left Baltimore, they then did to Cleveland.

I'm not a big an NBA fan because the Buffalo Braves were moved away in 1978, so I lost interest in pro basketball. And as a Bills fan, we live with the the spectres of a 90+ year old owner who isn't leaving the team to his children and a metropolitan area with a depressed economy and dwindling population.

But despite this, I'm optimistic about the Bills' future in Buffalo. The destination that most people think is inevitable for the Bills is Toronto. I don't see it happening as there are multiple obstacles to that happening. First, the Rogers Centre is too small, only seating about 52,000 for a game. And it's a lousy place to see anything, it's so damn big. So a new arena would need to be built and there's no space in Toronto, so you'd have to go north of the city to build it, plus infrastructure. So to buy the team and build a new facility would run possibly up to $3 billion.

Second, the civic government of Toronto has come out against the Bills being there full time, and third, there's the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL. In the past, the federal government of Canada has acted against American football trying to gain permanent foothold in Canada.

Fans love their teams, but at the NFL and NBA level, it's a business. So if the fans are hurt because the grass is greener on the other side, then the fans are SOL.

I agree with you about Toronto. I don't see that happening. I hope that the Bills stay in Buffalo. The fans have supported them for a long time and they deserve it. I liked your take on the Bills this year. They need to get better QB play out of Edwards to make any kind of a move but with that division they play in, it might be tough. Dolphins, Jets, Pats are all looking pretty solid this year. Keep the faith T-Cat!

[tygrkhat40]

That is the problem for the Bills this year, the AFC East may be the best division in the AFC, maybe even the NFL. Edwards has shown flashes of competence before, and Chan Gailey made Tyler Thigpen, a QB from Coastal Carolina, a school without a football team at the beginning of this decade, into a competent NFL QB. I've had season tix since 1989, and I'll be there for every game this year.

Go Bills!