Things Noticeable this week

[Rogerbh]

It's important to have a conservative Supreme Court. And we'd be shooting at Russians in Syria with Hillary if the election went the other way. Arguably the status of world peace would be worse with Clinton as POTUS.

No good choice.

And the last poll I saw said that the US would still elect Trump over Hillary - I believe that was a few months ago.

As to letting NK develop ICBMs and continually threaten the US, eventually the US will act militarily. Not only as a response to NK but as a message to Iran.

[CARLTON BROWN]

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

The rules of engagement are similar to those issued in Northern Ireland during the troubles. Working directly under Police supervision, clear and concise warnings must be given, three, either Armed Soldiers, Halt or I fire or British Army Halt or I fire, the exception being immediate risk, a complex issue, but basically if the soldier feels that there is an immediate risk to either themselves, the public or the building they are protecting, they may fire without warning.

They are all carrying SA80/ L85A2, in latest variants, they carry 5.56 ammunition, and they are all carrying full magazines.

This is a double tragedy in my eyes, I feel it very sad that British Soldiers are deployed in the streets of our major cities. I do understand it. The other side is that should rounds be fired, the press will no doubt launch a full scale attack on the Army. The soldier involved will face, an immediate inquiry, (special Investigations Branch RMP), the civilian authorities will do the same, then an inquest, at which the soldier is liable to face prosecution should the jury decide that the reaction was wrong, but put yourself in their boots, this person may be about to kill, maim and injure thousands, fire or not?

Excellent, detailed answer, thanks.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

The other side is that should rounds be fired, the press will no doubt launch a full scale attack on the Army. The soldier involved will face, an immediate inquiry, (special Investigations Branch RMP), the civilian authorities will do the same, then an inquest, at which the soldier is liable to face prosecution should the jury decide that the reaction was wrong, but put yourself in their boots, this person may be about to kill, maim and injure thousands, fire or not?

Hopefully lessons have been learned since the total bollocks up by the Met over the killing of Jean-Charles de Menezes. On that day intelligence took a back seat to stupidity and a catalogue of tragic errors was made, the ONLY mitigating factor was that it was in the aftermath of the London bombings of 7/7/2005 when 4 worthless fanatical Islamic shitheads played human bombs killing 52 civilians and a series of failed bomb attempts the day before.

If I was having to judge that soldier I would say they have to put public safety first, if someone is acting menacingly then without any doubt shoot the fucker through the head, if they may be wearing bomb vests then leave nothing to chance.
All situations have to be looked at on an individual basis of course but I'd trust a soldier's training and instincts to decide and if the decision was made to shoot I'd accept it was made in good faith.

[rupertramjet]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

All situations have to be looked at on an individual basis of course but I'd trust a soldier's training and instincts to decide and if the decision was made to shoot I'd accept it was made in good faith.

Unfortunately not all are as reasonable as you! Death on the Rock, an Army Unit in hot pursuit, had to decide if the terrorists were about to detonate a remote device in the centre of a Carnival crowd. They fired, the press crucified them.

The on going persecution of Northern Ireland Veterans who had the audacity to kill IRA men during the execution of crimes, the press are very very quiet about that. As a Para who has served in Northern Ireland, I always expect an approach to be interviewed by the Police Service of Northern Ireland, ironically I lost a total of thirty eight friends and colleagues in the province, no one is serving any time for any of them.

[haroldeye]

Worse Rupert, many of those murderers have a letter from that nice Mr Blair giving them immunity from prosecution.

[rupertramjet]

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

As a Para who has served in Northern Ireland, I always expect an approach to be interviewed by the Police Service of Northern Ireland, ironically I lost a total of thirty eight friends and colleagues in the province, no one is serving any time for any of them.

A quick explanation! Because of my current role I am protected, even in the UK, by this handy little piece of paper!

http://www.un.org/en/ethics/pdf/convention.pdf

Articles V and VI

[chris chunt]

It's reckoned that the bomb in Manchester may have been remotely detonated as a fail safe in case he lost his nerve .

As a crumb of comfort I hope it was .

He will have known what it was and will have felt fear and pain for a moment even if he was legging it .

The victims won't have known what hit them by contrast .

Really hope that's the case

[Devius]

Originally Posted by chris chunt

It's reckoned that the bomb in Manchester may have been remotely detonated as a fail safe in case he lost his nerve .

As a crumb of comfort I hope it was .

He will have known what it was and will have felt fear and pain for a moment even if he was legging it .

The victims won't have known what hit them by contrast .

Really hope that's the case

Daily Mail Online is claiming the Manchester bomb might have had two switches in case attacker changed his mind - Abedi 'held one detonator in his left hand while terror cell had second remote control trigger'.

Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...fessional.html

Very different from the usual "lone wolf with mental health issues" - if this is true...

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Devius

Daily Mail Online is claiming the Manchester bomb might have had two switches in case attacker changed his mind - Abedi 'held one detonator in his left hand while terror cell had second remote control trigger'.

Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...fessional.html

Very different from the usual "lone wolf with mental health issues" - if this is true...

yeah, you think the cell can let him live and possibly give them up? Plus making the device does not seem like a diy project. So yes the bomb maker is still running around looking for his next pawn to sacrifice...

[old alal]

Jeremy Dobbin seems to have baught in to the Islamic Extreamist agenda. Aparantly the attack on Monday is all our fault and the Governments we elected.
He says it is directly as a result of British Foreign Policy.

Remind me when 9/11 happened and what other Country we were occupying, or at war with at the time.

Please please please keep this Muppet (and I am sorry to Jim Henson) out of number 10.