Current Politics in the United Kingdom - Page 501

**scoundrel** · January 10th, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by palo5

Everyone knows about that. UK is fickle and potentially unreliable. That's why the EU nailed them to the ground with the backstop. Who can blame the EU for that?

Except of course that the way things look now, there ain't gonna be no backstop and we aren't nailed to anything. No deal is looking better and better all the time.

**vinceprince** · January 10th, 2019, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

Except of course that the way things look now, there ain't gonna be no backstop and we aren't nailed to anything. No deal is looking better and better all the time.

Not so good if you're an exporting/haulage business going bust or if you want to drive in Kent.

Obviously neither applies to you.

OTH Pretty good for illegal migrants who want to break into hundreds of stationary lorries queued in France.

**judy84** · January 10th, 2019, 08:54 AM

Leave-backing MPs have welcomed assurances from the French port of Calais that there will be no extra checks on lorries if Britain leaves the EU without a deal in March.
Port boss Jean-Marc Puissesseau said Calais had been preparing for Brexit for a year and would be ready to cope when the UK leaves the EU on March 29, whether there is a deal or not.
Brexit minister Chris Heaton-Harris said he hoped traffic would continue to flow as freely as Mr Puissesseau suggested, but warned the European Commission could demand additional checks.
“I would like to think it would be as free flowing. But the European Commission can insist on extra checks at the border,” he told the Commons Exiting the EU Committee.
“We would expect there to be a tiny bit more of a check than the mayor of Calais said. But maybe he is privy to information because France can apply to the European Commission to waive checks.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...ort-chief.html

**vinceprince** · January 10th, 2019, 02:40 PM

At the moment there is no paperwork and no checks at all, even the slightest check or delay on the daily 17,000 lorries per day will result in massive tailbacks. You have to live near to know the massive chaos that can happen.

According to a report from Dover District Council in late July, which assessed the impact of Brexit in the region, current customs checks on imports from outside the EU can take between five and 45 minutes per vehicle.

Believe me the French will be very keen to carefully check for high tariff agricultural, meat and fish imports once we are out, any excuse for protectionism and placify their own militant farmers and fishermen who may take their own action.

**palo5** · January 10th, 2019, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

Except of course that the way things look now, there ain't gonna be no backstop and we aren't nailed to anything. No deal is looking better and better all the time.

We'll see. As I've always said, I think you're screwed in every scenario, unless Brexit is called off. Even with no-deal, you'll still have to pay the 39 billion, because if you renege almost no one in the world will do a trade deal with you. Not a good position to be in, and I can't imagine why you're enthusiastic about it. Maybe you could tell us?

**judy84** · January 10th, 2019, 05:58 PM

When the euro started in 1999, Germany joined at too low an exchange rate, while the Mediterranean states joined at too high exchange rates, for the long-term sustainability of the euro. This gave Germany a competitive advantage when it came to intra-EU trading.
Initially this was not thought to matter, since competitive pressures in the different member states’ labour and capital markets would eventually pull the rest of the EU up to German levels of productivity. But it is clear from the unemployment figures that this did not happen. Italy’s unemployment rate is 10%, while its youth unemployment rate is 35% and has averaged above 30% since 1983. The corresponding figures in Spain are 15% and 34%. Germany’s unemployment rate is only 3.5%.
The debt is about to be exacerbated by the European Central Bank (ECB)’s response to the Global Financial Crisis (GFC). Its quantitative easing (QE) programme – which involves buying up government and corporate bonds – began too late (in 2015, eight years after the GFC started) and has been ended prematurely (at the end of 2018), given the current state of the Eurozone economies. This is despite introducing €2.7 trillion of liquidity into those economies, equal to 25% of Eurozone GDP (€2.7 trillion/€11 trillion) – and in the process driving up bond prices and driving down their yields. Eurozone growth has averaged 2.2% since 2015, but, according to estimates by UBS investment bank, 0.75% of this is due to QE.
But these problems are as nothing compared with the financial crisis that is developing in the eurozone banking system.

Powerful voices in the EU would like to rescue their banking system by imposing a ‘financial transactions tax’ every time a transaction takes place – this would be collected by the EC in Brussels. Three times more would be raised from us than from customers on the whole European continent.
In the meantime, the WA makes the UK a non-voting colony that will be drained of its assets to save our new colonial masters’ financial system and then to finance their imperial ambitions. No wonder all the EU27 leaders were tripping over each other to sign up to it on 25 November 2018.

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-e...n-as-possible/

**palo5** · January 10th, 2019, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by judy84

In the meantime, the WA makes the UK a non-voting colony that will be drained of its assets to save our new colonial masters’ financial system and then to finance their imperial ambitions. No wonder all the EU27 leaders were tripping over each other to sign up to it on 25 November 2018.

EU Colonial ambitions?

I need a liter of what you're drinking

I agree May's deal is exceptionally bad. But your real problems are a divided country, a lack of leadership, and a government without a majority that can't agree what it wants

**judy84** · January 10th, 2019, 06:42 PM

Well, someone has been drinking...it says imperial not colonial

Bruno Le Maire,French finance minister, said ‘Either we get a eurozone budget or there will eventually be no euro at all. If there was a new financial and economic crisis tomorrow, the eurozone could not respond’.

This, of course, will only work if there is also full political union, but M. Le Maire went beyond this and called for Europe to become an ‘empire, like China, and the US [willing to deploy its full economic, monetary, technological, and cultural power on the world stage to confront the two great superpowers]. I am talking about a peaceful empire, based on the rule of law. I use the term to sharpen awareness that we are going into a world where power matters. Europe should no longer shrink from deploying its power’.

They have already shown what paper tigers they are at the moment when it came to Russia’s annexation of the Ukraine – which was a direct consequence of EU negotiations to bring Ukraine into the EU.

A united EU military is becoming a reality, argues Germany’s defense minister Ursula Von der Leyen

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/o...a3yvvu2Jlf-ap4

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/o...box=1547138341

**Old Jud** · January 10th, 2019, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

It would do no harm at all to recall that the English were invited into Ireland....

It should also be noted that Churchill offered the six counties of the north back to the Irish Republic, in exchange for the use of naval bases on the west coast of Ireland for the duration of the war.
Éamon de Valera refused.

**palo5** · January 10th, 2019, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by judy84

.it says imperial not colonial

ok, imperial. But the EU has no ambitions for an empire

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This, of course, will only work if there is also full political union

I'm fine with that. Federal systems work well. Mostly

January 10th, 2019, 08:54 AM	#5003
judy84 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wilts Posts: 2,008 Thanks: 34,481 Thanked 21,442 Times in 2,021 Posts	Leave-backing MPs have welcomed assurances from the French port of Calais that there will be no extra checks on lorries if Britain leaves the EU without a deal in March. Port boss Jean-Marc Puissesseau said Calais had been preparing for Brexit for a year and would be ready to cope when the UK leaves the EU on March 29, whether there is a deal or not. Brexit minister Chris Heaton-Harris said he hoped traffic would continue to flow as freely as Mr Puissesseau suggested, but warned the European Commission could demand additional checks. “I would like to think it would be as free flowing. But the European Commission can insist on extra checks at the border,” he told the Commons Exiting the EU Committee. “We would expect there to be a tiny bit more of a check than the mayor of Calais said. But maybe he is privy to information because France can apply to the European Commission to waive checks.” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...ort-chief.html

January 10th, 2019, 02:40 PM	#5004
vinceprince 13th Duke of Wybourne Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Me, Here? In a sixth-form girl's dormitory? At 3 in the morning? With my reputation? Posts: 2,089 Thanks: 8,082 Thanked 21,964 Times in 2,076 Posts	At the moment there is no paperwork and no checks at all, even the slightest check or delay on the daily 17,000 lorries per day will result in massive tailbacks. You have to live near to know the massive chaos that can happen. According to a report from Dover District Council in late July, which assessed the impact of Brexit in the region, current customs checks on imports from outside the EU can take between five and 45 minutes per vehicle. Believe me the French will be very keen to carefully check for high tariff agricultural, meat and fish imports once we are out, any excuse for protectionism and placify their own militant farmers and fishermen who may take their own action.

January 10th, 2019, 05:58 PM	#5006
judy84 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wilts Posts: 2,008 Thanks: 34,481 Thanked 21,442 Times in 2,021 Posts	When the euro started in 1999, Germany joined at too low an exchange rate, while the Mediterranean states joined at too high exchange rates, for the long-term sustainability of the euro. This gave Germany a competitive advantage when it came to intra-EU trading. Initially this was not thought to matter, since competitive pressures in the different member states’ labour and capital markets would eventually pull the rest of the EU up to German levels of productivity. But it is clear from the unemployment figures that this did not happen. Italy’s unemployment rate is 10%, while its youth unemployment rate is 35% and has averaged above 30% since 1983. The corresponding figures in Spain are 15% and 34%. Germany’s unemployment rate is only 3.5%. The debt is about to be exacerbated by the European Central Bank (ECB)’s response to the Global Financial Crisis (GFC). Its quantitative easing (QE) programme – which involves buying up government and corporate bonds – began too late (in 2015, eight years after the GFC started) and has been ended prematurely (at the end of 2018), given the current state of the Eurozone economies. This is despite introducing €2.7 trillion of liquidity into those economies, equal to 25% of Eurozone GDP (€2.7 trillion/€11 trillion) – and in the process driving up bond prices and driving down their yields. Eurozone growth has averaged 2.2% since 2015, but, according to estimates by UBS investment bank, 0.75% of this is due to QE. But these problems are as nothing compared with the financial crisis that is developing in the eurozone banking system. Powerful voices in the EU would like to rescue their banking system by imposing a ‘financial transactions tax’ every time a transaction takes place – this would be collected by the EC in Brussels. Three times more would be raised from us than from customers on the whole European continent. In the meantime, the WA makes the UK a non-voting colony that will be drained of its assets to save our new colonial masters’ financial system and then to finance their imperial ambitions. No wonder all the EU27 leaders were tripping over each other to sign up to it on 25 November 2018. https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-e...n-as-possible/

January 10th, 2019, 06:42 PM	#5008
judy84 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wilts Posts: 2,008 Thanks: 34,481 Thanked 21,442 Times in 2,021 Posts	Well, someone has been drinking...it says imperial not colonial Bruno Le Maire,French finance minister, said ‘Either we get a eurozone budget or there will eventually be no euro at all. If there was a new financial and economic crisis tomorrow, the eurozone could not respond’. This, of course, will only work if there is also full political union, but M. Le Maire went beyond this and called for Europe to become an ‘empire, like China, and the US [willing to deploy its full economic, monetary, technological, and cultural power on the world stage to confront the two great superpowers]. I am talking about a peaceful empire, based on the rule of law. I use the term to sharpen awareness that we are going into a world where power matters. Europe should no longer shrink from deploying its power’. They have already shown what paper tigers they are at the moment when it came to Russia’s annexation of the Ukraine – which was a direct consequence of EU negotiations to bring Ukraine into the EU. A united EU military is becoming a reality, argues Germany’s defense minister Ursula Von der Leyen https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/o...a3yvvu2Jlf-ap4 https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/o...box=1547138341