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Old 01-13-2017, 08:56 AM   #351
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Whereas under unfettered capitalism competition had been wiped out by Standard Oil and U.S. Steel creating monopolies. Unfettered capitalism is much like slavery and communism.

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Abraham Lincoln

"Whenever people go into politics and they try to say that Communism was a good thing, I say, 'Go ahead and live in a Communist country then, if you think it's so great.' " - Martina Navratilova
I am completely against warmongering for the benefit of multi-national corporations and banks. I am also against the exploitation of third world labor. The diamond trade is one particularly disgusting practice.

All I would like to see is companies being able to compete without government intervention and favoritism on behalf of certain businesses over others. The mindset of "too big to fail" should never enter into the conversation. The bailout was a perfect example of why we don't have competition in the marketplace. It's also a reason why it's so damn hard for people to get the money necessary to start up a business and compete against the established ones. This is why the corporate tax needs to be addressed. Small businesses cannot hire teams of lawyers to exploit tax loops like a fortune 500 company can. That isn't competition, it's corporatism.

Remove all tax loops so that they cannot be exploited, and then lower the corporate tax. Ironically, these larger companies may end up paying slightly more than they did when they could protect much of their revenue from taxation.

Economic determinism, meaning the pursuit of profit as the highest virtue for a business, is also deplorable.

I'm in complete agreement that the current US economic model needs to be overhauled. The only problem I have is saying we have a free market capitalist system. By definition we don't.

Just another reason to strip the federal government of much of its power, to get back to what was intended in the first place.
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Old 01-13-2017, 10:54 AM   #352
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Just another reason to strip the federal government of much of its power, to get back to what was intended in the first place.
Sorry, but I have been reading The Federalist Papers, The Anti-Federalists, and the Debates at the Constitutional Convention. The founders had no idea of the kind of wealth and influence that corporations would amass nor did they foresee the profound societal changes of the Industrial Revolution. The were just trying to to preserve their upper class wealth and influence from the rising tide of democracy favored by the great mass of subsistence and tenant farmers, day laborers and trades people. The Southern planters primary concern was to protect slavery and expand slave labor into the Western territories. Most of the founders, North and South, believed that slavery would die a natural death and the blacks would be resettled elsewhere.

They certainly were aware of David Hume and Adam Smith and understood that manufacturers and merchants would seek to co-opt the government. Hamilton was following the prevailing mercantilist policies and trying to prevent the more developed British and Dutch economies from overwhelming domestic industry.

They no more anticipated and welcomed the changes looming in the 19th century than Karl Marx envisioned the policies Josef Stalin would enact in Marx's name.
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This is another case of a Financial Correct decision being confused for a Politically Correct one. The state wants to avoid going to court over a wrongful death suit his family could win if she ever was sucessful in any of her atempts. Johnny Taylor once famously sang how it was "cheaper to keep her" I guess nowadays it is cheaper to make her. BTW you know we are being PC by referring to her as "her"...
Having lost everything I had in divorce, I totally get "cheaper to keep her". Not a sustainable attitude but a way of kicking the can a little further on down the road...

I'm not sure I understand "financially correct" in this frame of reference.

Does it mean that every time some whackjob hires a lawyer, the rest of us should cower in fear and cave in to the demands lest it go to trial and we risk losing? Or does it mean we could just pay criminals not to commit crimes thereby removing the need for a police force? Or is it simply taking the easy, cheap way out regardless of consequence? Convicts commit suicide in prison. It's fact, and the only one responsible is now departed.

Activist judges aside, WTF ever happened to standing up for one's beliefs? Where's the backbone? Have we, as a society, become so complacent that every time some negligible minority "demands" the other 99% acknowledge and accept something that we just give up, roll over, and take it? Are we that feeble that we let death threats and nation-wide twitter character assassinations go unchecked when these "demands" aren't immediately embraced with open arms?

Whatever the name for it, it's still bullshit.. and part of the decline of western civilization.

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Point #2 - Can't we just let him loose in the yard and let the other con's perform the surgery with a shiv?
I was thinking they should have just given it another chance to hang itself. Same result.
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Old 01-16-2017, 07:36 PM   #355
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Having lost everything I had in divorce, I totally get "cheaper to keep her". Not a sustainable attitude but a way of [B]kicking the can a little further on down the road...[B]
Isn't this true of most quick Fixes?

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I'm not sure I understand "financially correct" in this frame of reference.

Does it mean that every time some whackjob hires a lawyer, the rest of us should cower in fear and cave in to the demands lest it go to trial and we risk losing? Or does it mean we could just pay criminals not to commit crimes thereby removing the need for a police force? Or is it simply taking the easy, cheap way out regardless of consequence?
I want you to remember what I bonded in your quote the next time you hear the line, "Government needs to be run like a business" cause what I bonded is èxactly what businesses do.

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Convicts commit suicide in prison. It's fact, and the only one responsible is now departed.
Once in prison the prisoner becomes the responsibility of the state. If you think not let the prison release one of them early and they end up killing or maiming someone, who do you hold responsible?

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Activist judges aside, WTF ever happened to standing up for one's beliefs? Where's the backbone? Have we, as a society, become so complacent that every time some negligible minority "demands" the other 99% acknowledge and accept something that we just give up, roll over, and take it? Are we that feeble that we let death threats and nation-wide twitter character assassinations go unchecked when these "demands" aren't immediately embraced with open arms?

Whatever the name for it, it's still bullshit.. and part of the decline of western civilization.
Notice the question I bolded as I will answer it with "but of course" if the right 1% gets behind a cause and exercises their financial clout it becomes "get down or lay down" time for anyone involved
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