Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Okoto probably knows more about legal principles than I do, but I did have to study contract law a little bit as part of my professional training. As I remember it:
Offer + Acceptance = Contract.

If the contract is accepted it becomes binding on both parties. You dont get to walk away because you changed your mind afterwards; though you can re-negotiate if the other party is willing to compromise, or you can merely break the contract, in which case there are penalties.

The rest of the UK has neither broken nor varied any clause in its contract with Scotland. We share a common identity and must all stick together. That is the contract. It seems to be the SNP which wants Scotland to break the contract with us. I do not know if the rest of the UK has a legal power to refuse Scotland a fresh independence referendum but if we do have such a power then it is up to the SNP to explain why we should not invoke a power of refusal. We will, of course, listen to whatever they have to say to us.

Sure, if there is are respectable partners (on both sides).
(Look at my post #951 and #1005).

But if the contractual base has changed, than the contract is null and void as a whole.
(At the moment I only having more or less bad (improper) examples for such a procedure, sorry !).

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@deepsepia

Well that is an interesting question, innit?

Hadn't thought about it.

Article 50 says
Quote:
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention.
Has the UK "notified" the European Council of its intention? Seems not to have done, as of yet.

What if it never proffers that notification?

And if the British government is ignoring the result of its referendum ?

Than will happen nothing !!!!

Indeed, no only a few in the EU are believing, the British government might/could walk this way!

[pferdewurst]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Is a good question . . . one might add, why not invite the Greeks to come work in Germany?

The Greeks should better pay their taxes...
We don't need more unqualified people.
If some of them work here in Greek Restaurants of their family members it's no problem.

[pferdewurst]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Indeed, no only a few in the EU are believing, the British government might/could walk this way!

Source? Links? They can not say that all was an April fool.

[vinceprince]

As I said the referendum is only advisory.

Hypothetically if there was a General Election before Xmas resulting in an anti-leave Lab/Lib/Nationalist coalition with a remain mandate, Article 50 may never be triggered. I'm not promoting this but it is possible. Given what's happened over last week I wouldn't rule it out.

[TheBare]

Brexit: Aftermath | Paul Joseph Watson and Stefan Molyneux

[emexem]

this just in

Calais letting migrant camp residents be moved to UK - their reasoning , we broke it therefore we own it.

suggest rather than let similar situation build up in the uk, we apportion arrivees in strict accordance with percentage of leave votes recorded per region in the referendum - seems the fairest way!

shouldnt take more than a year or so to process asylum seekers , give medical aid, on nhs of course, the usual- what say the rest, useful protem soloution?

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

(...) It was a whole nation vote, just as this referendum was. There has been absolutely no change in the Union; it is our relationship with outside powers which has changed.

If Scotland wants to ally and align herself with outside powers instead of with England and Wales, then the Union is finished anyway. Being in a Union requires mutual loyalty.

But you turned your back on that other Union, does that mean you have never seen the EU as a union in the first place?

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by cicciobuki

But you turned your back on that other Union, does that mean you have never seen the EU as a union in the first place?

I think most Brits voted to remain in the EEC a Common Market in the 1970's largely due to the brighter outlook we were told about for trade, there is no great appetite among ordinary British people for moving to a more federal style organisation leading to a quasi United States of Europe.
Most of us have nothing against the people of Europe (although there are dicks in both camps that make us feel ashamed) our vote was solely against the EU.

[Devius]

Originally Posted by vinceprince

As I said the referendum is only advisory.

Hypothetically if there was a General Election before Xmas resulting in an anti-leave Lab/Lib/Nationalist coalition with a remain mandate, Article 50 may never be triggered. I'm not promoting this but it is possible. Given what's happened over last week I wouldn't rule it out.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told the BBC that Holyrood could try to block the UK's exit from the EU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...e=news_central

I would file Nicola's comments alongside the petition for a "second referendum" - WTF?

Everybody needs to take a step back, and remember the old saying:

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by Devius

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told the BBC that Holyrood could try to block the UK's exit from the EU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...e=news_central

I would file Nicola's comments alongside the petition for a "second referendum" - WTF?

Everybody needs to take a step back, and remember the old saying:

Well even if you disagree with it, the decision of the Scottish Parliament would be legally binding, the referendum is not.

It would require legislation from the UK Parliament to change the constitutional legislation to prevent the Scots blocking this. This would not be easy to get through the Commons and Lords. Such an impasse may lead to another General Election.