Windows 10? - Page 12

**sandhunter** · July 23rd, 2015, 03:27 PM

Just read the article in Forbes and where they are talking about the 2-4 year free support and then it occurred to me that MS is only giving 10 away for 1 year so next July we will find out the total truth, my computer is still set to download only but I think that now will change to do not download , I am still reading and thanks guys for all the good eye opening info ..

**9876543210** · July 24th, 2015, 12:32 AM

Here's a question for all.

Was talking with a friend this a.m. that I built her machine for her some years ago (the last machine I built). Its a dual core (maybe a four core) with 8 or 16 Gb RAM and a small (don't remember how small) HD for her OS and apps (C:\) and a larger HD for her files (D:\). Basically the same arrangement I've put on any machine I've built over many years.

Anyway, she has (as a web designer) one of the latest Adobe Suites and is starting to get the Win 10 notification. So she called me today and asked if she should go ahead and get it. I told her my experiences with it so she probably won't do it soon but an interesting question came up.

She uses the latest Adobe Suite mainly for Photoshop and a couple of other web development Adobe apps. Initially, I thought it best to download and install on a separate drive (an old SSD I have) and then install all her apps on that. But then I remembered, Adobe are real assholes about the number of copies of the Adobe Suite a person can have. So my feeling is that we would have to uninstall the Suite from her Win 7 disk to reinstall the Suite on her Win 10 disk.

After thinking about that awhile I don't think that is a good idea (especially if she doesn't like Win 10). Probably better to install the SSD with Win 10 and give her the option to keep the Adobe Suite on Win 7 and just play around with Win 10.

Any opinions on what she should do?

**Rick Danger** · July 24th, 2015, 01:43 AM

OK, I lied. This isn't July 30th..................

A home user could afford a little down time if the Windows 10 conversion and the cutover of apps, peripherals, etc. did not go to schedule. Since your "friend" (you sly devil you) relies on her computer as a professional, I would want to be extremely conservative with my approach.

In the IT profession you learn that when something breaks the last change that was made is generally the first place to look for the fault. The nearly four hour outage suffered by the New York Stock Exchange earlier this month was blamed on software updates (NO, not Windows 10 !). That's why configuration management/change control is religion in many IT shops.

So, I'd preserve her Windows 7 configuration unchanged, and create a bootable Windows 10 install on the SSD.

Of course, if the friend is a real hottie, I might change my mind and HOPE that the fix will cause me to have to spend long, looooonnnnngggggg hours at her place......

.....Of course all my friends are pot-bellied middle aged bums who may not have any cold beer in the house when I come over to fix their computer problems. Sigh.....

....like I always say, if I was interested in sex I would NEVER have gotten married...........

.......If I've offended you in any way, I apologize........

**DTravel** · July 24th, 2015, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Danger

From GameSpot.com...................

Windows 10 Comes With Pre-Installed Candy Crush Saga
You can't escape.

*begins destroying every Win10 capable computer he can find*

**Misrule** · July 24th, 2015, 10:40 PM

I can confirm that the update to Win 8.1 that adds the Win 10 app is number 3035583. Details here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

It also seems to add the app to Win7 with IE11. What if you don't use IE; do you escape?

**9876543210** · July 25th, 2015, 12:09 AM

Rick Danger,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Danger

Of course, if the friend is a real hottie, I might change my mind and HOPE that the fix will cause me to have to spend long, looooonnnnngggggg hours at her place......

Actually, she is an old girlfriend that I went out with for quite a few years but we eventually fell out. But managed to remain friends. And at one time she was really hot. But at 62? Well, maybe not so much anymore.

The rest of the advice sounds good and was pretty much what I was thinking. Also, no offense taken.

Thanks!

**9876543210** · July 25th, 2015, 12:19 AM

a435843,

Quote:

Originally Posted by a435843

Nope, can't do it...MS will not let you install the free Windows 10 license alone on a separate drive, leaving your 7 installation on another drive. It's a forced trade, you can only install Windows 10 on top of an installation of Windows 7/8.1, overwriting it in the process, as an OS "upgrade". You could uninstall applications and reinstall them later, if that's an available & better option.

Sorry, but I don't think thats correct. I installed Win 10 on a separate drive a month or so ago on a separate HD. Still have it on a 60 GB HD I'm not using. Thinking of giving the HD to her.

Was actually thinking of just taking the HD over to her place, sticking it in her machine, booting to see what happens. I'm sure there will be driver issues but the Win 10 install might work. If not then I'd just repartition, reformat and reinstall Win 10 on her machine. Then install apps.

So you don't think that will work on her machine? Which brings up another question. I seem to remember there is an answer for this but I've forgotten. Can't she just dual boot Win 7 and Win 10? Keep the Adobe Suite on Win 7 and just play with Win 10?

**Rick Danger** · July 25th, 2015, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9876543210

Actually, she is an old girlfriend that I went out with for quite a few years but we eventually fell out. But managed to remain friends. And at one time she was really hot. But at 62? Well, maybe not so much anymore.

I recently was reunited with a friend I hadn't seen for thirty eight years. I had befriended her years ago when she was at a low point in her life. She's now 55, and she looked spectacular. I went for a kiss, which she accepted without regret. Probably a good thing I moved out of state last year, otherwise I'd be in a LOT of trouble.

Come on guys, this IS the Vintage EROTICA Forum. And that kiss was the closest thing to erotica I've been part of in twenty years !!!!

**Rick Danger** · July 25th, 2015, 02:17 AM

The latest from ZDNet.com.

This article provides further insight into the Windows 10 rollouts plans for Windows Phone and smaller tablet devices. Also, it makes it plain that the next big update to Windows 10 will not be in two years as has been speculated but in roughly two months. Then routine updates with a major upgrade a year from now. Talk about the potential for further disruption. And your device might be "obsolete" in only one year !

Add to that the fact that Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella seems to be targeting Windows 7 and 8.x users. This despite the fact that support for these products continues until 2020 and 2023, respectively. But again, trying to coax (or force ?) users to Win 10 is probably the only way to reach the "Windows 10 ONE BILLION DEVICES" mark.

Microsoft's rolling Windows 10 launch: What's coming next

The slow and staggered launch of Windows 10 starts July 29, and will accelerate in the next few months with new devices and business features.

By Mary Jo Foley for All About Microsoft July 24, 2015 -- 15:51 GMT (08:51 PDT)
Topic: Windows 10

Windows 10's July 29 "launch" next week is not a typical one for Microsoft. It's just the start of a slow and staggered rollout for the company's newest operating system.

Next week marks the start of availability of Windows 10 for PCs and tablets. Later in calendar 2015, as Microsoft officials said earlier this year, Microsoft will deliver Windows 10 Mobile for ARM- and Intel-based Windows Phones and new small ARM- and Intel-based tablets. Windows 10-based Surface Hub conferencing systems, HoloLens glasses and various IoT devices will happen starting later this year and beyond.

On Microsoft's earnings call earlier this week, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella provided a rough timeline as to what Microsoft watchers should expect over the next few months, in response to a Wall Street analyst's question about the trajectory.

Nadella said the initial Windows 10 rollout would happen in three phases. The initial upgrade phase starting July 29, which is focused on getting Windows 7 and 8 users to upgrade, plus "retail execution." Then "come the Fall you will see the devices from all the OEMs going into the holiday quarter," Nadella said.

Nadella said Microsoft's OEM partners have "over 2,000 distinct devices or configurations already in testing for Windows 10 upgrades, as well as hundreds of new hardware designs." Some of these devices will be available on July 29, but the majority are likely to be coming later this year, in time for Holiday 2015.

Nadella also noted that "we have a release of enterprise features ... which will ship in that (Fall) timeframe and I expect piloting to start and deployments to start in the second half of the fiscal year."

"My bullishness for Windows 10 is more in the second half of the fiscal year," Nadella said, which is between January 1, 2016 and June 30, 2016.

What are these enterprise features coming this Fall, which may be considered part of the Threshold 2 update?

In Microsoft's matrix comparing the features available in the different versions of Windows 10, there's a footnote acknowledging that "Enterprise Data Protection" won't be available immediately for Pro, Enterprise and/or Education editions. That functionality is coming"some time later." EDP isolates personal data from corporate data to prevent data leaks. So I bet that's one piece.

I also think the Business Store for Windows 10, a Web-based Store portal for companies distributing their own apps, might be another of those Fall deliverables. And maybe those promised Universal Skype messaging, phone and video apps could be in this category, too. As Neowin noted this week, Microsoft has committed to making previews of these three apps available later this Summer.

The original launch plan for Windows 10 called for Microsoft to deliver Windows 10 by Fall 2015. But the Windows team decided to step up the pace and actually hit the back-to-school window with a new version of Windows for the first time in a number of years. Dell officials also acknowledged this acceleration in plans to Thurrott.com's Paul Thurrott.

Just a reminder: I've heard previously from sources that Microsoft is going to deliver a larger Windows 10 update with a number of new features this Fall, most likely October. The codename for that update is Threshold 2. And after Threshold 2, we'll see next year's ongoing feature and security update parade, as well as two larger groups of new features for Windows 10. Those groups of updates are codenamed Redstone (probably 1 and 2) and most likely coming in Spring/Fall 2016.

**sandhunter** · July 25th, 2015, 03:24 PM

If this latest info is correct , then MS is trying to get back to taking their share of the monies (all) from the new apps , 8 was really bad , then 8.1 was better, so they must believe they have it right with 10 , only time will tell.

July 24th, 2015, 01:43 AM	#113
Rick Danger Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the Chill lounge..... Posts: 1,725 Thanks: 6,794 Thanked 30,933 Times in 1,714 Posts	OK, I lied. This isn't July 30th.................. A home user could afford a little down time if the Windows 10 conversion and the cutover of apps, peripherals, etc. did not go to schedule. Since your "friend" (you sly devil you) relies on her computer as a professional, I would want to be extremely conservative with my approach. In the IT profession you learn that when something breaks the last change that was made is generally the first place to look for the fault. The nearly four hour outage suffered by the New York Stock Exchange earlier this month was blamed on software updates (NO, not Windows 10 !). That's why configuration management/change control is religion in many IT shops. So, I'd preserve her Windows 7 configuration unchanged, and create a bootable Windows 10 install on the SSD. Of course, if the friend is a real hottie, I might change my mind and HOPE that the fix will cause me to have to spend long, looooonnnnngggggg hours at her place...... .....Of course all my friends are pot-bellied middle aged bums who may not have any cold beer in the house when I come over to fix their computer problems. Sigh.........like I always say, if I was interested in sex I would *NEVER* have gotten married........... .......If I've offended you in any way, I apologize........

July 25th, 2015, 02:17 AM	#119
Rick Danger Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the Chill lounge..... Posts: 1,725 Thanks: 6,794 Thanked 30,933 Times in 1,714 Posts	Look out: Windows 10 Threshold 2 and Redstone are coming ! The latest from ZDNet.com. This article provides further insight into the Windows 10 rollouts plans for Windows Phone and smaller tablet devices. Also, it makes it plain that the next big update to Windows 10 will not be in two years as has been speculated but in roughly two months. Then routine updates with a major upgrade a year from now. Talk about the potential for further disruption. And your device might be "obsolete" in only one year ! Add to that the fact that Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella seems to be targeting Windows 7 and 8.x users. This despite the fact that support for these products continues until 2020 and 2023, respectively. But again, trying to coax (or force ?) users to Win 10 is probably the only way to reach the "Windows 10 ONE BILLION DEVICES" mark. Microsoft's rolling Windows 10 launch: What's coming next The slow and staggered launch of Windows 10 starts July 29, and will accelerate in the next few months with new devices and business features. By Mary Jo Foley for All About Microsoft July 24, 2015 -- 15:51 GMT (08:51 PDT) Topic: Windows 10 Windows 10's July 29 "launch" next week is not a typical one for Microsoft. It's just the start of a slow and staggered rollout for the company's newest operating system. Next week marks the start of availability of Windows 10 for PCs and tablets. Later in calendar 2015, as Microsoft officials said earlier this year, Microsoft will deliver Windows 10 Mobile for ARM- and Intel-based Windows Phones and new small ARM- and Intel-based tablets. Windows 10-based Surface Hub conferencing systems, HoloLens glasses and various IoT devices will happen starting later this year and beyond. On Microsoft's earnings call earlier this week, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella provided a rough timeline as to what Microsoft watchers should expect over the next few months, in response to a Wall Street analyst's question about the trajectory. Nadella said the initial Windows 10 rollout would happen in three phases. The initial upgrade phase starting July 29, which is focused on getting Windows 7 and 8 users to upgrade, plus "retail execution." Then "come the Fall you will see the devices from all the OEMs going into the holiday quarter," Nadella said. Nadella said Microsoft's OEM partners have "over 2,000 distinct devices or configurations already in testing for Windows 10 upgrades, as well as hundreds of new hardware designs." Some of these devices will be available on July 29, but the majority are likely to be coming later this year, in time for Holiday 2015. Nadella also noted that "we have a release of enterprise features ... which will ship in that (Fall) timeframe and I expect piloting to start and deployments to start in the second half of the fiscal year." "My bullishness for Windows 10 is more in the second half of the fiscal year," Nadella said, which is between January 1, 2016 and June 30, 2016. What are these enterprise features coming this Fall, which may be considered part of the Threshold 2 update? In Microsoft's matrix comparing the features available in the different versions of Windows 10, there's a footnote acknowledging that "Enterprise Data Protection" won't be available immediately for Pro, Enterprise and/or Education editions. That functionality is coming"some time later." EDP isolates personal data from corporate data to prevent data leaks. So I bet that's one piece. I also think the Business Store for Windows 10, a Web-based Store portal for companies distributing their own apps, might be another of those Fall deliverables. And maybe those promised Universal Skype messaging, phone and video apps could be in this category, too. As Neowin noted this week, Microsoft has committed to making previews of these three apps available later this Summer. The original launch plan for Windows 10 called for Microsoft to deliver Windows 10 by Fall 2015. But the Windows team decided to step up the pace and actually hit the back-to-school window with a new version of Windows for the first time in a number of years. Dell officials also acknowledged this acceleration in plans to Thurrott.com's Paul Thurrott. Just a reminder: I've heard previously from sources that Microsoft is going to deliver a larger Windows 10 update with a number of new features this Fall, most likely October. The codename for that update is Threshold 2. And after Threshold 2, we'll see next year's ongoing feature and security update parade, as well as two larger groups of new features for Windows 10. Those groups of updates are codenamed Redstone (probably 1 and 2) and most likely coming in Spring/Fall 2016.

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July 23rd, 2015, 03:27 PM	#111
sandhunter Super Draconian Sandhunter Join Date: May 2013 Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 13,979 Thanks: 208,917 Thanked 261,296 Times in 13,886 Posts	Just read the article in Forbes and where they are talking about the 2-4 year free support and then it occurred to me that MS is only giving 10 away for 1 year so next July we will find out the total truth, my computer is still set to download only but I think that now will change to do not download , I am still reading and thanks guys for all the good eye opening info ..

July 24th, 2015, 12:32 AM	#112
9876543210 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,044 Thanks: 24,638 Thanked 34,288 Times in 4,008 Posts	Here's a question for all. Was talking with a friend this a.m. that I built her machine for her some years ago (the last machine I built). Its a dual core (maybe a four core) with 8 or 16 Gb RAM and a small (don't remember how small) HD for her OS and apps (C:\) and a larger HD for her files (D:\). Basically the same arrangement I've put on any machine I've built over many years. Anyway, she has (as a web designer) one of the latest Adobe Suites and is starting to get the Win 10 notification. So she called me today and asked if she should go ahead and get it. I told her my experiences with it so she probably won't do it soon but an interesting question came up. She uses the latest Adobe Suite mainly for Photoshop and a couple of other web development Adobe apps. Initially, I thought it best to download and install on a separate drive (an old SSD I have) and then install all her apps on that. But then I remembered, Adobe are real assholes about the number of copies of the Adobe Suite a person can have. So my feeling is that we would have to uninstall the Suite from her Win 7 disk to reinstall the Suite on her Win 10 disk. After thinking about that awhile I don't think that is a good idea (especially if she doesn't like Win 10). Probably better to install the SSD with Win 10 and give her the option to keep the Adobe Suite on Win 7 and just play around with Win 10. Any opinions on what she should do?

July 24th, 2015, 10:40 PM	#115
Misrule Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 542 Thanks: 29,377 Thanked 16,340 Times in 862 Posts	I can confirm that the update to Win 8.1 that adds the Win 10 app is number 3035583. Details here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 It also seems to add the app to Win7 with IE11. What if you don't use IE; do you escape?

July 25th, 2015, 03:24 PM	#120
sandhunter Super Draconian Sandhunter Join Date: May 2013 Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 13,979 Thanks: 208,917 Thanked 261,296 Times in 13,886 Posts	If this latest info is correct , then MS is trying to get back to taking their share of the monies (all) from the new apps , 8 was really bad , then 8.1 was better, so they must believe they have it right with 10 , only time will tell.