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Old 10-16-2016, 11:50 PM   #1771
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Why aren't any/all of those supposedly banned, reported, and copyrighted material being taken down, scrubbed, and being made inaccessible on many other sites?? I see material like Score, ATK, various banned models/stars, as well as much of the material members are losing here at VEF still appearing and not being removed and affected at many of those other sites.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:59 AM   #1772
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I think its pretty simple

We self report banned material on VEF because we're a smaller community forum
with far less resources than many others

Not naming names but others simply wait for the dmca notice to arrive as there are always
uploaders who ignore the banned list.


On the upside these forums have banned lists triple the size of ours and where we lose content they lose entire threads because they push the envelope and that gets back to the models & copyright owners.

There are banned models on their lists that arent on ours

Smaller does have its advantages imho
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Old 10-17-2016, 03:40 AM   #1773
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I think its pretty simple

We self report banned material on VEF because we're a smaller community forum
with far less resources than many others

Not naming names but others simply wait for the dmca notice to arrive as there are always
uploaders who ignore the banned list.


On the upside these forums have banned lists triple the size of ours and where we lose content they lose entire threads because they push the envelope and that gets back to the models & copyright owners.

There are banned models on their lists that arent on ours

Smaller does have its advantages imho
What I have a hard time with is either something is banned or it isn't, and it should apply to all sites. By "VEF having far less resources" I hope you don't mean the others are paying off the right people.

Lets take the dreaded ATK for example. They are considered so taboo and a big no-no, but yet their material appears by the ton on many sites no bigger, and certainly not as good as VEF. Their material has been there for years, and more continues to be posted without "incident".

In regards to an image's code number -- When an image and its code number get reported/banned, do they become banned/inaccessible at other porn sites as well?

Which brings me to my next question -- One downloads an image which is still active/accessible on/from another site, but when uploading it to the host one finds and receives a ban notice. If we're being told that the image and its code number are banned then how/why was the image still active, accessible, and able to be downloaded at the other site? Its active/accessible at one place but dead/banned at another!
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In regards to an image's code number -- When an image and its code number get reported/banned, do they become banned/inaccessible at other porn sites as well?

Which brings me to my next question -- One downloads an image which is still active/accessible on/from another site, but when uploading it to the host one finds and receives a ban notice. If we're being told that the image and its code number are banned then how/why was the image still active, accessible, and able to be downloaded at the other site? Its active/accessible at one place but dead/banned at another!
Several reasons: (i) the code number is not banned, as I very much doubt a DMCA takedown notice would mention it, the code is just used by some imagehosts to identify multiple versions of a banned pic; (ii) not all image hosts do as imagebam and identify banned pics this way, in particular (iii) some porn sites host their own pictures - which even VEF used to do, a long time ago, (iv) the hosts need to be notified that something is banned in the first place, which will only happen if they actually host it, somebody notices it and takes action.
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Several reasons: (i) the code number is not banned, as I very much doubt a DMCA takedown notice would mention it, the code is just used by some imagehosts to identify multiple versions of a banned pic; (ii) not all image hosts do as imagebam and identify banned pics this way, in particular (iii) some porn sites host their own pictures - which even VEF used to do, a long time ago, (iv) the hosts need to be notified that something is banned in the first place, which will only happen if they actually host it, somebody notices it and takes action.
But my point being (and my confusion) ... one grabs/downloads a pic which is accessible (able to be opened) from another site, and then when attempting to upload it to the image host to post it at VEF the image now shows as being banned and does not upload.

Perhaps I misunderstood G-Type's post, but he mentioned something about when a pic gets reported both the code and image get taken down.
If that is so then one would reasonably think that the pic would/should be dead and inaccessible at all sites.
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Old 10-17-2016, 01:35 PM   #1776
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Perhaps I misunderstood G-Type's post, but he mentioned something about when a pic gets reported both the code and image get taken down.
If that is so then one would reasonably think that the pic would/should be dead and inaccessible at all sites.
You most probably did (misunderstand)

The image is taken town after being reported, whereas the CRC-code stays and acts as the future counter-reference.

1 >Consequently, all other pics being stored at the hoster´s side carrying that particular code are qualified "banned" and get unaccessable from now on...on all sites where these pics have occurred until now.

2 >Consequently, any further pics being uploaded who carry that CRC-code will be refused as well.

Example:

Suze Rendall Pic # 1178h004 (just a non-tried example)

You upload that pic > it gets through. Once this pic gets reported, it is taken down. The CRC-code is kept as reference. All other pics carrying that code (even renamed ones e.g. ElevenSevenEight-h-04 etc...) are taken down as well, reagrdless where they have come from and where they have been posted so far.

If another chap tries an upload of that pic as 11SeventyEight-04, it will get messaged "banned" immediately after uploading.

Hope my explanations are clearer now.
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I don't mean to keep beating this issue, but if the CRC-code is active as a countercheck, then why is the image still active and accessible at the other site from which one downloaded it, and it is only not until when attempting to upload it to a host (say to post at VEF) that one now finds and is notified that the image is banned? If the image is banned then it should not even be at the other site.
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I don't mean to keep beating this issue, but if the CRC-code is active as a countercheck, then why is the image still active and accessible at the other site from which one downloaded it, and it is only not until when attempting to upload it to a host (say to post at VEF) that one now finds and is notified that the image is banned? If the image is banned then it should not even be at the other site.
Valid point. I don´t know the answer, sorry.

Perhaps the guys @ Imagebam etc. may shed light into this
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Again imagebam. Again problem with the 115 server. All images not available. That host now has a daily technical problems.
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I don't mean to keep beating this issue, but if the CRC-code is active as a countercheck, then why is the image still active and accessible at the other site from which one downloaded it, and it is only not until when attempting to upload it to a host (say to post at VEF) that one now finds and is notified that the image is banned? If the image is banned then it should not even be at the other site.
Images are almost always at imagehosts, not at forums. So, this would only be confusing if it is up on the same image host which declares it as banned.

However, there is an explanation even for this scenario: images get often re-uploaded. A standard strategy for an image host to deal with a takedown notice would be to (i) remove the image, and (ii) stop further uploads of an image with the same code. However, that does not include older uploads. For example, someone might have downloaded a picture and then re-uploaded it with the same host. If then one incarnation of the pic is taken down, another may well survive, because they are not looking for other pics that are already up that have the same code.

Would that be an easy thing to do? Depends. If the database stores these codes for all pics then it would be easy. If not, this would be a horrendously complex operation. It is also possible that they now record the code in the database, but they did not do that originally - in which case many older pics would have a NULL entry in that database as code; in other words, the pic has a code, but the database does not know it.

Of course, because the database stores the picture and the picture contains the code, the database somehow stores the code anyway - but not necessarily in an easily accessible form. To begin with, the images themselves sit on external memory, not the database itself - that alone slows things down by a factor of 500-1000 these days. In addition, there would be no hashtables to access this data quickly - you end up with a linear search on data that may be millions of gigabytes...

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