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July 16th, 2017, 02:55 PM | #2171 | |
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Would the rational side of you consider his questions, or would you reject them as unpatriotic? |
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Our former chancellor Helmut Schmidt once said deadly serious, asked in an interview to his "visions" about Europe: I think those who are having "visions", should immediately visit a doctor !
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I didn't dislike him, but he was too "western" for my standpoint. No German needs gazillions of US military bases and A-Bombs right next to him -- Schmidt never figured out that Russians were more honest than the Americans, or couldn't admit it We moved our troops back, and they moved theirs forward. Clear that Schmidt didn't comprehend the western deceit |
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July 16th, 2017, 06:34 PM | #2174 | |
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If the Remainer is civil and engages rationally with me on the issues of representative government, the principles of immigration policy and the Anglo-American special relationship, I tend to like discussing such things in a rational, informed and mutually respectful way. I am sure you will endorse me in saying I don't freak out just because someone else disagrees with me. The chances are that neither of us with persuade the other but we might both end the conversation knowing more then we did before starting it. Some things I am liable to reject as unpatriotic however. Nicola Sturgeon I consider to be a traitor and any day in which petty and humiliating misfortune befalls her or the SNP (or the Green Party) is a happy day.
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Keyword: EU - commission (... and the British were a part of it !!!!!). They were also a part of the EU parliament (inclusively this i**t of Nigel Farage for example). OK, the EU let meanwhile pass a lot of "British extra treatments". It would have been better to make Thatcher clear: "Shut up !" For that reason the British government were no team players, but seen themselves as a kind of "stars" (like in football, if a player don't drop a ball to the other teamer). Or seeing the EU just only as a trade deal. OK, the "last straw that broke the camel's back" was the the refugee - policy of Angela Merkel; for that I (personally) also having as good as no understanding. For this reason I don't understand a lot of my countrymen too. But other states had also made hard compromises since the EU (in this form) was created. In the way we are d'accort is, that the EU needs badly some reforms. But no system is static, also not the EU.
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But the price was getting higher and higher and I am not talking about money.
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I remember a discussion involving polonium, where a balanced argument was not possible because of fixed ideas that Putin was evil whatever happened. Evidence & reasoning did not come into it.
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In many perfectly democratic and free societies, the premise of the SNP would be regarded as anti-constitutional and would be forbidden by law; rightly so IMHO. We British have been weak and stupid to allow the SNP to legally exist; we should have arrested and imprisoned its Nazi-sympathiser founders at the beginning, same as we arrested and imprisoned Oswald Moseley, and for the same crime: treason. In the same way as I feel strongly that President Lincoln was absolutely right to crush the CSA rebellion using brute force, I regard the secessionist dream of Mrs Sturgeon and the SNP as flagrantly disloyal. It is also disloyal to the Scottish people, who have repeatedly voted against it and who are finding that the SNP will never stop demanding another new referendum every time the toilet paper runs out. And yes, it isn't only Nicola Sturgeon's ideas to which I object. Frankly, I loathe her on a very visceral level. If she were in flames on the floor in front of me I would not make water on her.
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BTW re the Polonium 210 murder, that was meant to send a message to opponents of the Russian state and I also believe in sending messages, though I wouldn't use polonium 210 for this purpose. Give us Luguvoy and the problem will go away. Otherwise, you must admit Palo, we British have been annoying out of all proportion to our actual paper size and weight in the world, a bit like a Russian horse fly. I would sincerely like our two nations to resume a friendship which would self-evidently benefit Britain. But the polonium 210 murder disrespected us. That has to be resolved, and bare faced official Russian lying and protecting the man who carried the poison is never going to resolve it.
Speaking only for myself (I have no authority to speak for anyone else) I appreciate that Luguvoy might know too much and might not be willing to take a fall. If he were to accidentally partake of polonium 210 in his tea or perhaps accidentally shoot himself 14 times with a double barrelled shotgun, I would consider the matter closed.
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