Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Not at all. Costa Rica is considered as the Switzerland of Central America.
It's not a country that is considered as non valuable country.

And it's strategic use to an invader would be ...... ????

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Hah, you want to talk about Venezuela?

Venezuela doesn't permit free elections and Chavez and Maduro have suppressed their opposition.

And now, the population is starving. Have you checked what's going on in Venezuela? Its yet another example of your "theory" in practice. Let's understand that Venezuela started out as a _rich_ country, one of the world's biggest oil producers.

And now, after years of one party rule by your "theory", what's life like in Venezuela.

That's Americano-neoliberalist lies, propaganda and conspiracy. video here.

You can watch this video and use the automatic translation.

There are several videos like this one (French, Russian, Spanish languages), but not in English... Why?
Oil, oil, oil????

After the false proof shown in UNO, the subprime crisis, your country and your friends, hopefully for a lot of people, has lost a lot of credibility.

Originally Posted by Wendigo

And it's strategic use to an invader would be ...... ????

As an example, Panama is a huge strategic place. Did you hear about the Canal of Panama?
Central America countries would be excellent bases to "watch" South American countries.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

That's Americano-neoliberalist lies, propaganda and conspiracy..

No, its actually reporting by VENEZUELAN sources. The source for hunger data is called (in English) the "Venezuela Living Conditions Survey"; known as "ENCOVI" and is conducted by the Central University of Venezuela, the Andrés Bello Catholic University and the Simón Bolívar University, along with the Fundación Bengoa food and nutrition group.

If you can read Spanish, you can find the original survey, together with methodology, here:
https://www.ucab.edu.ve/investigacio...n/encovi-2017/

Note that this is a .VE domain, hosted in Venezuela.

Venezuelans are starving under your theory. Just as Mao starved the Chinese, Stalin starved pretty much all the peoples under Soviet control, the Khmer Rouge starved the Cambodians.

And each time, folks like you, who'd read "the book written 150 years ago" closed their eyes to starvation and claimed that it was "lies, propaganda and conspiracy".

Buy a ticket for Venezuela and see for yourself. The country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world, starving because of your favorite idea.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

As an example, Panama is a huge strategic place. Did you hear about the Canal of Panama?

Yup but not the canal of Costa Rica.

Panama is strategically important but any attack on them is highly unlikely given its importance to global trade.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

No, its actually reporting by VENEZUELAN sources. The source for hunger data is called (in English) the "Venezuela Living Conditions Survey"; known as "ENCOVI" and is conducted by the Central University of Venezuela, the Andrés Bello Catholic University and the Simón Bolívar University, along with the Fundación Bengoa food and nutrition group.

Ok... you don't want to listen to a journalist who spent years in Venezuela.

Here is a summary of his explanations:

"- After the legislatives won by the right and extreme-right parties, they could get the power, but, surprisingly, they quarreled each others and never took the legislative power.

- According to the media propaganda, there is no more toilet paper. But according to the same journalist (and not only him), when you go to restaurants, there are papers towels.

- Right and extreme-rights Venezuelian businessmen have orchestred a fake shortage of a lot of goods, the goods are in Venezuela but not distributed in supermarkets that are owned by capitalist businessmen.

-It seems that the right and extreme-right parties have received an order from the USA to wait to take the leadership of the country until it becomes a revolution. Like that it would be a good point for the American propaganda to says that a country that mocked their liberal politics during years through a popular communism... finally failed."

That's not my theory, you can listen to it on the video.

But when you listen to this expert and other non-americano-capitalist analysts, it seems really possible.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Ok... you don't want to listen to a journalist who spent years in Venezuela.

The regime has its mouthpieces, sure.

I've presented you with a survey by Venezuelan institutions, not some random journo, and you've got "some guy"

The ENCOVI study is careful, its massive, its authoritative. Its conducted by Venezuelan institutions, not Americans or "neo liberals".

Can Maduro find some "good Marxist" willing to spout BS?

Sure. Stalin did too; so did Mao, so did the Khmer Rouge. Here's what North Korea has to say about their wonderful country -- also starving:

Originally Posted by North Korea celebrates 'the genius of geniuses'

One worker in the industrial city of Hamnam said he was convinced: "I will produce more cotton and following the guidance of our beloved leader Kim Jong Il, I will be even more obedient towards Kim Jong Un so that our economy blossoms"

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Ok... you don't want to listen to a journalist who spent years in Venezuela.

No, well I don't anyway, like you he's probably got his own political agenda and will twist any old nonsense to fit his world view.

Venezuela welcomes tourists
http://www.traveller.com.au/venezuel...o-visit-gzxxmt

[Roubignol]

Here is another video explaining the Venezuela crisis in 10 minutes. (not in English... sorry , but you can translate it automatically)

La crise au Venezuela en 10 minutes

Venezuela, (like South America during the Monroe and Roosevelt doctrines), was under the control of the USA until 1994.
When Chavez kicked USA out, USA became crazy, but hardly could bomb Venezuela.
Surprisingly, Venezuela was considered as a member of the Evil axes by the Bush family, like Lybia and Iraq (two other countries extremely rich in petrol).

But Chavez was popular. Incredibly popular.
So USA waited until he died and observed that Maduro was not as popular.

Suddenly, President Trump said: "We could invade Venezuela, people are starving there!"

The richest country in oil in the world... could not buy... food.

Maduro suddenly wants to starve his people.
Please don't tell us BS. False flask about Irak and now Venezuela not able buying food!!!

WTF!!!!

Originally Posted by Wendigo

No, well I don't anyway, like you he's probably got his own political agenda and will twist any old nonsense to fit his world view.

Venezuela welcomes tourists
http://www.traveller.com.au/venezuel...o-visit-gzxxmt

My own political agenda.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

My own political agenda.

Yup, we all have one if we are being honest.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Here is another video explaining the Venezuela crisis in 10 minutes. (not in English... sorry , but you can translate it automatically)

Again, "some video" ain't anything at all.

Youtube is filled with videos "proving" that the Earth is flat.

I have given you the link to surveys by leading Venezuelan institutions: hospitals, universities , food banks that carefully document the extent of hunger and starvation in Venezuela.

This is not a regime spokesman. Its not a Youtube video.

Its a survey conducted by Venezuelan institutions.

One more time: we have a long history of Marxist parties crushing small farmers and causing starvation. Happens again and again: Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea and now Venezuela.

Each time there are some gullible folks like you in the West who believe the regime when they deny it.

My question for you is Why?

You've now got a century of Marxists in power leading to famine. Just what evidence do you need after a century of hunger?

When North Korea tells you that everyone is well fed, do you believe them too?