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February 25th, 2018, 11:56 AM | #411 | |
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I worked in the tech industry for many years. Every company I was part of had lots of immigrants, really smart people from communist countries-- Eastern Europeans, Russians, Chinese , Vietnamese. These folks pretty uniformly hated communism. They weren't "prostitutes" or "mafia" -- they were smart people who wanted to make a better future for themselves and their families. All of them had seen state communism, none of them said "I'd like more of that, please". The irony of course is that immigrants from Russia before it became communist often leaned left-- but once these folks had seen communism, or the Lenin-Stalin approximation of communism, they decided they didn't care for it. Parties seeking what they call "communism" in this world -- perhaps not a "theoretical ideal"-- establish one party rule, often quite brutal. That may not accord with theory, but that's what happens in practice. |
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My hometown has a population of 200,000, about a third would be of or descendants of post WW2 immigrants, very very few would have said anything positive about the "C" word.
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If you mean immigrants from ex-Yugoslavia, particularly Serbs and Croats, those who arrived after 1945 were mostly supporters of the Ustashe and Chetniks, the fascist movements that collaborated with Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. I wouldn't expect them to like communism, even though they never lived under it but neither did the communists. What we saw throughout the 20th century were different flavors of socialism implemented "from above". That's not what the communist movement is about.
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You can throw in Bulgarians, Romanians, Ukrainians, Poles, Russians, any of the Baltic states and on and on, bottom line is they did live under communism, many actually fled for a better life and got it, I'm only conveying their thoughts, the vast majority of them. Some did have positive things to say about Communism, I do have to be fair in what I can say as fact.
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Try to organize a political movement challenging the Communist Party of China, or the Communist Party of North Korea -- see what happens. We have a LOT of experience with people who profess to be "communists" running countries. Whether or not they are "necessarily undemocratic" -- by some strange coincidence they always are. And I think the reason why is plain enough. One party states -- communist or otherwise-- diminish the authority of the State, its institutions, and the rule of law. You weren't going to go to a German court and get any legal satisfaction in confronting the Nazi regime, for example. Or how about China today, where the CPC has just announced that the Constitution will be changed so that Xi Xinping can serve beyond the ten years previously permitted. If you were Chinese, do you imagine that you could safely try some of that "democracy at another level" to challenge this change to the Constitution? |
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What would propose your movement challenging the Communist Party? Introduction of inequalities, classes differences, free market? |
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February 26th, 2018, 10:06 AM | #419 | |
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See, I'm a practical person, not a theoretician. All sorts of things _sound_ appealing "in theory", but don't actually work "in practice" at all. "But it says here in the book we're all supposed to live happily ever after" ain't exactly compelling when you start doing the body count in the real world. |
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