The Cricket Thread. - Page 529

**themidlander** · March 25th, 2018, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bloke57

You are all so harsh!

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Of course you are right - but all I'm saying is they are human and by now probably heartily pissed off with cricket. Not saying they are justified in that, but that pissed-offness is bound to affect their play. That's all.

Not saying we need some big enquiry or restructuring or nuffin'. Jeez!

Agree that the ECB need to look at the restructuing of the domestic game, the worrying thing though is that the board seem to be reluctant to believe that they are not doing a great job!

**DB83** · March 25th, 2018, 09:12 PM

Of course the ECB are doing a great job.

Read only a few days ago that Glamorgan have been handed £2.5m not to bid for any Test cricket between 2020 and 2024 (think I got the dates right). They have called it 'compensation'. Wonder that other counties who have not been awarded any Test matches think of that.

**DB83** · March 25th, 2018, 09:22 PM

The fall-out from 'Tape-Gate' continues.

Smith has been fined 100% of his match fee and banned for one test. Bancroft has been fined 75% of his match fee and been handed a demerit point.

Not a terrible deterrent is it ? Mind you the Australian PM is furious and this may not end here.

**seany65** · March 25th, 2018, 10:00 PM

Pathetic 'punishment'. Attempting to cheat should have got the captain, and anyone else involved fined 100% of their tour fees and banned for a year from all cricket, with the captain being punished much more if he refused to name the others involved, and if he didn't name them and they didn't step forward it would show they have little sense of honour in not stopping there captain being punished as much, so the whole team should be banned for a year.

Look at the punishment them cricketers got a few years ago and all they did was step over the crease when bowling at certain points in the game etc. I don't think what they did could really affect the result of any match.

**scoundrel** · March 25th, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by seany65

Pathetic 'punishment'. Attempting to cheat should have got the captain, and anyone else involved fined 100% of their tour fees and banned for a year from all cricket, with the captain being punished much more if he refused to name the others involved, and if he didn't name them and they didn't step forward it would show they have little sense of honour in not stopping there captain being punished as much, so the whole team should be banned for a year.

Look at the punishment them cricketers got a few years ago and all they did was step over the crease when bowling at certain points in the game etc. I don't think what they did could really affect the result of any match.

Cricket Australia will have the last word on the punishment the various participants receive. Speaking only for myself I sense that a sense of proportion is somewhat lacking here. There is a lot of venom in the air and it's understandable, but needs to be kept under control in case anger clouds judgment. This is not the worst episode of unsportsmanlike conduct I have heard of in cricket; far from it. So yes, punish the players involved, but it's not a hanging offence. Michael Clarke (ironic spokesman for sportsmanship I have to say) did make a very valid point, that it was extremely unfair that the senior players delegated the actual act to such a junior player as Cameron Bancroft. That is valid, and a strong reason why Steve Smith should receive a much worse punishment, as should several others. But when it comes to the fucking prime minister pontificating, I sense injustice in the air and it makes me unwilling to follow the pack on this one.

**buttsie** · March 26th, 2018, 01:50 AM

The bigger picture

Australian cricket TV rights 5 year deal 500 million currently being discussed
Tests , one dayers , T20 big bash etc

CA want 1 billion

Free to air bidders want to pay much less

CA threatening to give more to Murdochs Foxtel (payTV)

Anything handed out to Smith & Warner will be damage limitation on multiple sides

Enough of a whack to the satisfy public anger but not too much so the product
is harmed beyond fixing.

Looking at past tampering cases the ICC have been lenient - more fines than bans
because they know test cricket wont survive if the best talent isnt on the field.

**themidlander** · March 26th, 2018, 08:19 AM

Stuart Broad's comments interesting today, really double edged! Why should the Aussie's change their tactics from the Ashes series when they were getting the ball to reverse when we couldn't! Ouch!

**Roger Allott** · March 26th, 2018, 09:39 AM

TMS were saying that the "leadership group" comprised 5 players. Smith & Warner, obviously, plus Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon & Josh Hazlewood.

To complicate matters, one of these is currently "furious" about being dragged into this farrago because he wasn't involved in the meeting at all.

Smith needs to reveal who was and who wasn't involved.

Also, it seems that Darren Lehmann and sub Peter Handscomb were at least aware of the plan, because they were coordinating instructions given to Bancroft when it was clear that he'd been rumbled.

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**DB83** · March 26th, 2018, 11:07 AM

Well, despite the best efforts of NZ weather, England lost the first Test.

But it seems that the gung-ho attitude still prevails. 'Rocky' Stokes having been mindful and careful for many balls lost his head just before dinner. Probably a lost cause by then having already lost some wickets before but who knows. The spirit of Matt Prior could have lived on.

**DB83** · March 26th, 2018, 11:26 PM

T.I.C. comment (no offence meant)

So the head of ethics from Cricket Australia arrives at that plush hotel the cricketers are staying. Overheard to say "Strewth !! If are are gonna do it that don't make it so obvious. Sport !!"

But seriously folks. Expect some major announcement quite soon. Smith could be stripped of the captaincy full-time and Lehman could also be in the firing line.

Public floggings will wait til they get home.

March 25th, 2018, 10:00 PM	#5284
seany65 Vintage Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,658 Thanks: 80,521 Thanked 32,788 Times in 3,536 Posts	Pathetic 'punishment'. Attempting to cheat should have got the captain, and anyone else involved fined 100% of their tour fees and banned for a year from all cricket, with the captain being punished much more if he refused to name the others involved, and if he didn't name them and they didn't step forward it would show they have little sense of honour in not stopping there captain being punished as much, so the whole team should be banned for a year. Look at the punishment them cricketers got a few years ago and all they did was step over the crease when bowling at certain points in the game etc. I don't think what they did could really affect the result of any match. __________________ <-- That's Emer Kenny and I want to be stuck in her front bottom. Quote from electrofreak : I'd rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.

March 26th, 2018, 09:39 AM	#5288
Roger Allott Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,937 Thanks: 10,958 Thanked 155,901 Times in 8,000 Posts	TMS were saying that the "leadership group" comprised 5 players. Smith & Warner, obviously, plus Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon & Josh Hazlewood. To complicate matters, one of these is currently "furious" about being dragged into this farrago because he wasn't involved in the meeting at all. Smith needs to reveal who was and who wasn't involved. Also, it seems that Darren Lehmann and sub Peter Handscomb were at least aware of the plan, because they were coordinating instructions given to Bancroft when it was clear that he'd been rumbled. . __________________ *If you don't want your beliefs ridiculed, don't have ridiculous beliefs.*

March 25th, 2018, 09:12 PM	#5282
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,019 Times in 1,458 Posts	Of course the ECB are doing a great job. Read only a few days ago that Glamorgan have been handed £2.5m not to bid for any Test cricket between 2020 and 2024 (think I got the dates right). They have called it 'compensation'. Wonder that other counties who have not been awarded any Test matches think of that.

March 25th, 2018, 09:22 PM	#5283
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,019 Times in 1,458 Posts	The fall-out from 'Tape-Gate' continues. Smith has been fined 100% of his match fee and banned for one test. Bancroft has been fined 75% of his match fee and been handed a demerit point. Not a terrible deterrent is it ? Mind you the Australian PM is furious and this may not end here.

March 26th, 2018, 01:50 AM	#5286
buttsie Porn Archeologist Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: earth Posts: 12,714 Thanks: 92,252 Thanked 241,329 Times in 12,746 Posts	The bigger picture Australian cricket TV rights 5 year deal 500 million currently being discussed Tests , one dayers , T20 big bash etc CA want 1 billion Free to air bidders want to pay much less CA threatening to give more to Murdochs Foxtel (payTV) Anything handed out to Smith & Warner will be damage limitation on multiple sides Enough of a whack to the satisfy public anger but not too much so the product is harmed beyond fixing. Looking at past tampering cases the ICC have been lenient - more fines than bans because they know test cricket wont survive if the best talent isnt on the field.

March 26th, 2018, 08:19 AM	#5287
themidlander Vintage Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: West Midlands Posts: 649 Thanks: 16,089 Thanked 11,018 Times in 644 Posts	Stuart Broad's comments interesting today, really double edged! Why should the Aussie's change their tactics from the Ashes series when they were getting the ball to reverse when we couldn't! Ouch!

March 26th, 2018, 11:07 AM	#5289
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,019 Times in 1,458 Posts	Well, despite the best efforts of NZ weather, England lost the first Test. But it seems that the gung-ho attitude still prevails. 'Rocky' Stokes having been mindful and careful for many balls lost his head just before dinner. Probably a lost cause by then having already lost some wickets before but who knows. The spirit of Matt Prior could have lived on.

March 26th, 2018, 11:26 PM	#5290
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,019 Times in 1,458 Posts	T.I.C. comment (no offence meant) So the head of ethics from Cricket Australia arrives at that plush hotel the cricketers are staying. Overheard to say "Strewth !! If are are gonna do it that don't make it so obvious. Sport !!" But seriously folks. Expect some major announcement quite soon. Smith could be stripped of the captaincy full-time and Lehman could also be in the firing line. Public floggings will wait til they get home.