Why "normal" girls go for porn? - Page 3

Zefrem23 · September 26th, 2016, 10:32 AM

All the 'normal' girls who do porn that I've ever chatted to in their chat rooms or via email all seemed well-adjusted and highly-sexed, a more well-known one like Lelu Love seems to integrate her romantic relationship with their pornstar persona by featuring their SO in some of the videos, which limits the jealousy aspect. Lelu in particular said it's a way to make money and feel sexy without putting herself at risk.

**charliels531** · October 4th, 2016, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by footstep

What is normal for you!?

I'm with footstep and tygerkhat40--What do you think of as "normal"?

A lot depends on what's in your head. I live on the West Coast of the United States. What is accepted sexual behavior here differs considerably from acceptable sexual behavior in Alabama. People do the same stuff in both places, but here we don't spend all day worrying about it. (Sorry, 'Bama, but you guys did pass a law against selling or possessing sex toys.)

When I started working in the business (Yes, it was 42 years ago) I found that the people I worked with were mostly just like the folks I worked with during my summer jobs with the state parks or tending bar. Maybe a little nicer.

When was the last time a disgruntled former employee shot up a porn studio?

I think Trixie is spot-on writing about her experiences, and Sweden doesn't sound so different from Southern California. It's a business, it's work, and it's a lot better than cleaning garbage cans for a living.

**ponky** · October 5th, 2016, 12:10 PM

Quick answer.

Just two, sometimes and somewhat combined:

- exhibitionism of exhibitionists;
- form of slavery, victims of unrighteous system.

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Full answer... (sorry, this can't be short)

Why so many girls do it? Money? Could it be more discreet? Prostitution?

There's often a mix of exhibitionism and slavery (speaking simplified), but almost always second is represented with at least 95% (if we can talk in %) based on my experience. Pure(r) exhibitionism would be expressed in some other way, needless to say.

I'll try to explain via example.

Giorgio Grandi said that Arwen Gold's incomings are increased nearly 4.5 times per year since she start as a star of TWM agency; part of incomings she get thanks to her work for Legalporno in both periods (before and after she joined TWM). See quote (Giorgio Grandi):

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7 month at TWM provided to Arwen Gold gained in in the initial 4 month about 50% more then what she gained in all the previous year. I make it more easy: if in the previous 12 months she gained 1000 USD, with TWM she gained 1500 in only 4 months. After 7 month, we was already able to provide her as much money as we guaranteed in her exclusive contract.

So - 1000 USD for whole 2015. ONE THOUSAND for year. In total. For published and filmed scenes (49 just for LP in 2014-2016). For scenes with DAP, TAP (double and triple anal), pissing, piss-drinking, gangbangs...

OK, Arwen is LP superstar now and let's say that she could continue with new trend and get 4.5 thousand per year. But - other girls can't get more. And this is very small sum of money in every country, in every aspect. Why they film it at all? Where's the catch?

Did you notice that actresses have public profiles now at Twitter, FB, Instagram... and they don't hide themselves as earlier? Did you notice pictures they post there? Expensive clothes, iPhones, vacations, landscapes of many famous cities - maybe unusually often Arabian ones? Now is little clearer?

In this moment they often use porn just as advertisement for they professional skills, and profession is - prostitution.

Just to make story round: Legalporno pays girls usually up to 500 euros per scene (so high ammount is just for 1st anal, 1st DP, DAP gangbang... or for stars) but agency takes about half, they have to pay tickets to Praha or St. P., hotel... That's why they usually make several scenes in row. I'm pretty sure that Giorgio was too careful, I believe that girl can count on at least 100 euros per scene net (Netto), probably 200 per scene in a row. But in best case scenario superstar Arwen could collect 12 thousands euros max for 49+ scenes and 2 years. Luxury, travels, cars... from 12k? NO. Impossible.

Producers have interests - they get very cheap girls, so earning is more or less clear. Sometimes they could pay some real model as Maddy O'Reilly or Simony Diamond to get better public image but over 90% of girls are not at that model range, they can become production home internal "superstars" at best.

Interest of users of escort/prostitution services are in easy informing and getting contact.

Interest of girls... Well, on longer terms - there isn't such a thing.

**pizzapie** · October 5th, 2016, 03:52 PM

It's as simple as they need money whether it be for college/starting a career or to have money to go out and they would rather make money having sex then having a regular job to make money which is more stressful and feels more like a job.

**Sirch** · October 5th, 2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pizzapie

It's as simple as they need money whether it be for college/starting a career or to have money to go out and they would rather make money having sex then having a regular job to make money which is more stressful and feels more like a job.

Why do normal men go into football, hockey, soccer, boxing, etc? It's normal for a man to exert his physical prowess, but it's not normal for women to exert their sexuality.

**ponky** · October 5th, 2016, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirch

Why do normal men go into football, hockey, soccer, boxing, etc? It's normal for a man to exert his physical prowess, but it's not normal for women to exert their sexuality.

So, it is the same.

Do you remember every girl you having sex with?

Do you remember every guy you playing football with?

I rest my case.

**cginok** · October 5th, 2016, 07:46 PM

I think people underestimate how much "normal" women like sex. They may not admit it in public, but "normal" women like getting their pussy worked over as much as a slutty woman does. I grew up in the bible belt, as it is called. I went to church every Sunday morning. There would be girls there that I know were out on Saturday night sucking dick and getting fucked. Don't ask how I know that.

My point being, just because some female looks like a good girl in public doesn't mean that she is in private.

The reason women go into porn is as varied as the women in porn. The main reason though has to be money. All other reasons, likes sex, exhibitionist, etc, are secondary to the money. I remember watching a chat one night with Julia Bond. She said she made about $100,000 a year. How many 20 year olds, who aren't singers or actors, are going to make that kind of money? Not many. Ginger Lynn once said that in her prime, mid 80's, she was making about $55,000 a year. Which would be about $125,000 today. It's not the kind of money that a main stream actress is going to make, but still more than they'll make any other way.

Some I think just sorta fall into it. There are tons of women out there that think they're going to be the next supermodel. If you don't believe me, just look at the hundreds of thousands of profiles on Model Mayhem. All those girls on there think they're going to be a professional model. When in reality, most of them you'd never give a second look at if you saw them on the street. A lot of porn starlets started out doing normal modelling. Then they got a little more adventurous and start doing lingerie...or were talked into by a smooth talking photographer. Next thing ya know they're talked into doing nude shots and from there it's a short walk to Penthouse and porn movies. Some probably are reluctant at first. But I'm sure the money that keeps getting thrown in their face gets to the point where they just can't say no.

I think society looks down upon them because society views it as little different than prostitution. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the women that do porn for any length of time don't become jaded towards men.

**charliels531** · October 5th, 2016, 08:32 PM

I just want to toss this in:

Starting in the late 1970s the parliaments of Australia and New Zealand commissioned studies to examine social behavior which might indicate a need for revisions in the two nations' criminal codes regarding sex. Among other things, various specific groups of people were asked to fill out questionaires.

One investigation asked a group of women aged 20 to 26 who were either health care workers or college students about their sex lives. The questionaire was extensive and included two questions separated by a page or two. The first question was: "Have you ever committed an act of prostitution?" 0.5% answered affirmatively, about the percentage of women who, at some point during their lives, are convicted of prostitution. Later in the questionaire the same subjects were asked, "Have you ever had sex in exchange for an immediate cash payment?" 9% answered in the affirmative.

Take the loaded words out of the question and you get 18 times the number of affirmative responses.

**ponky** · October 5th, 2016, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cginok

I think people underestimate how much "normal" women like sex. They may not admit it in public, but "normal" women like getting their pussy worked over as much as a slutty woman does. I grew up in the bible belt, as it is called. I went to church every Sunday morning. There would be girls there that I know were out on Saturday night sucking dick and getting fucked. Don't ask how I know that.

My point being, just because some female looks like a good girl in public doesn't mean that she is in private.

The reason women go into porn is as varied as the women in porn. The main reason though has to be money. All other reasons, likes sex, exhibitionist, etc, are secondary to the money. I remember watching a chat one night with Julia Bond. She said she made about $100,000 a year. How many 20 year olds, who aren't singers or actors, are going to make that kind of money? Not many. Ginger Lynn once said that in her prime, mid 80's, she was making about $55,000 a year. Which would be about $125,000 today. It's not the kind of money that a main stream actress is going to make, but still more than they'll make any other way.

Some I think just sorta fall into it. There are tons of women out there that think they're going to be the next supermodel. If you don't believe me, just look at the hundreds of thousands of profiles on Model Mayhem. All those girls on there think they're going to be a professional model. When in reality, most of them you'd never give a second look at if you saw them on the street. A lot of porn starlets started out doing normal modelling. Then they got a little more adventurous and start doing lingerie...or were talked into by a smooth talking photographer. Next thing ya know they're talked into doing nude shots and from there it's a short walk to Penthouse and porn movies. Some probably are reluctant at first. But I'm sure the money that keeps getting thrown in their face gets to the point where they just can't say no.

I think society looks down upon them because society views it as little different than prostitution. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the women that do porn for any length of time don't become jaded towards men.

That sums are impossible now. European superstars got 3000 per scene max, and only if they move some boundary (I think Simony Diamond got 3000 for 1st double-anal and 1500 for 1st triple-anal). 'Course, if they do some act again (no personal 1st) then they get much less (maybe up to 700-800).

If girl is not superstar than she have to "progress" faster, and for smaller amounts - because she is not a superstar (catch 22). Also, no-superstar girl must use "services" of agencies which costs 50%, so even in a better European deal she can count on up to 200-230 euros per scene netto.

Moreover, some girls (usually East European) don't get paid at all. Some of these girls quiet complaint (Maria Devine, Lola Bulgari, Chanel Lux), some not, maybe even consently - so, what is their motive for porn? (Not few of theese look like they don't enjoying.) You probably heard something about very recent complaints of some American stars (Megan Rain, Samantha Rone) that Sineplex and LegalPorno did not pay them. Managers of Sineplex and LegalPorno even argue with them in public, not wanting to pay!

To be fair, after that scandal make public, more public than they wanted, they got some sums, with postponed. On LegalPorno forum they even suggested to use only Russian girls in future because they don't speak English well, so their minimal complains are even less visible. OK, there's other studios in Europe - but are they in position to offer better conditions really for girls as we see that SP and LP are between highest-growing names in European porn, and majority of their work is in porn Mekka - Praha, Czech Republic?

I recently saw sum for non-East European girl, American (not superstar but star) Samantha Rone twitted that she got 3120 for 3 scenes - dp, 1st double-anal, and stil unrealised 3rd scene.

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PS

See forums and Twitter profiles. For example, one of Lola Bulgari and Maria Devine - they also complaints that they are not payed, forced to have sex with manager, not allowing them to leave the studio complex, blackmailing if they don't do exactly what manager wants, and they had to pay there own way to leave Mexico.

I do not trust in this 100%, but if they continue to work with such studio, and studio continue to work with such girls... Mess.

**cginok** · October 5th, 2016, 09:32 PM

But 3000 a scene, meaning a day or two of work, still isn't bad. To get to 100,000 that would require about 33 days of work. Even if you're just a no name porn star, making 700 to 800 a day, that's still far more than they'll make any other way. You would almost have to be a doctor or lawyer to make 800 in one day. Look back at the filmography of some of the vintage porn starlets. Ginger Lynn, Asia Carrera, Nina Hartley, someone like that. Those women were making dozens of movies every year. Even if you were paid a few thousand a film, you could still make a comfortable living.

I'm sure there's all kinds of dirty things that go on off screen in porn. The girls really shouldn't be shocked if a manager, director, or producer wanted to fuck them for them to get the part. Heck that goes on in main stream Hollywood.

September 26th, 2016, 10:32 AM	#21
Zefrem23 Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: South Africa Posts: 63 Thanks: 114 Thanked 458 Times in 47 Posts	All the 'normal' girls who do porn that I've ever chatted to in their chat rooms or via email all seemed well-adjusted and highly-sexed, a more well-known one like Lelu Love seems to integrate her romantic relationship with their pornstar persona by featuring their SO in some of the videos, which limits the jealousy aspect. Lelu in particular said it's a way to make money and feel sexy without putting herself at risk.

October 5th, 2016, 03:52 PM	#24
pizzapie Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: North America Posts: 1,293 Thanks: 1,758 Thanked 53,788 Times in 1,282 Posts	It's as simple as they need money whether it be for college/starting a career or to have money to go out and they would rather make money having sex then having a regular job to make money which is more stressful and feels more like a job.

October 5th, 2016, 07:46 PM	#27
cginok Vintage Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 603 Thanks: 61 Thanked 5,414 Times in 594 Posts	I think people underestimate how much "normal" women like sex. They may not admit it in public, but "normal" women like getting their pussy worked over as much as a slutty woman does. I grew up in the bible belt, as it is called. I went to church every Sunday morning. There would be girls there that I know were out on Saturday night sucking dick and getting fucked. Don't ask how I know that. My point being, just because some female looks like a good girl in public doesn't mean that she is in private. The reason women go into porn is as varied as the women in porn. The main reason though has to be money. All other reasons, likes sex, exhibitionist, etc, are secondary to the money. I remember watching a chat one night with Julia Bond. She said she made about $100,000 a year. How many 20 year olds, who aren't singers or actors, are going to make that kind of money? Not many. Ginger Lynn once said that in her prime, mid 80's, she was making about $55,000 a year. Which would be about $125,000 today. It's not the kind of money that a main stream actress is going to make, but still more than they'll make any other way. Some I think just sorta fall into it. There are tons of women out there that think they're going to be the next supermodel. If you don't believe me, just look at the hundreds of thousands of profiles on Model Mayhem. All those girls on there think they're going to be a professional model. When in reality, most of them you'd never give a second look at if you saw them on the street. A lot of porn starlets started out doing normal modelling. Then they got a little more adventurous and start doing lingerie...or were talked into by a smooth talking photographer. Next thing ya know they're talked into doing nude shots and from there it's a short walk to Penthouse and porn movies. Some probably are reluctant at first. But I'm sure the money that keeps getting thrown in their face gets to the point where they just can't say no. I think society looks down upon them because society views it as little different than prostitution. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the women that do porn for any length of time don't become jaded towards men.

October 5th, 2016, 08:32 PM	#28
charliels531 Vintage Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,909 Thanks: 42,425 Thanked 62,691 Times in 4,879 Posts	I just want to toss this in: Starting in the late 1970s the parliaments of Australia and New Zealand commissioned studies to examine social behavior which might indicate a need for revisions in the two nations' criminal codes regarding sex. Among other things, various specific groups of people were asked to fill out questionaires. One investigation asked a group of women aged 20 to 26 who were either health care workers or college students about their sex lives. The questionaire was extensive and included two questions separated by a page or two. The first question was: "Have you ever committed an act of prostitution?" 0.5% answered affirmatively, about the percentage of women who, at some point during their lives, are convicted of prostitution. Later in the questionaire the same subjects were asked, "Have you ever had sex in exchange for an immediate cash payment?" 9% answered in the affirmative. Take the loaded words out of the question and you get 18 times the number of affirmative responses.

October 5th, 2016, 09:32 PM	#30
cginok Vintage Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 603 Thanks: 61 Thanked 5,414 Times in 594 Posts	But 3000 a scene, meaning a day or two of work, still isn't bad. To get to 100,000 that would require about 33 days of work. Even if you're just a no name porn star, making 700 to 800 a day, that's still far more than they'll make any other way. You would almost have to be a doctor or lawyer to make 800 in one day. Look back at the filmography of some of the vintage porn starlets. Ginger Lynn, Asia Carrera, Nina Hartley, someone like that. Those women were making dozens of movies every year. Even if you were paid a few thousand a film, you could still make a comfortable living. I'm sure there's all kinds of dirty things that go on off screen in porn. The girls really shouldn't be shocked if a manager, director, or producer wanted to fuck them for them to get the part. Heck that goes on in main stream Hollywood.