Lynda Carter ~ Colleen Camp Picture Debate

[Mad_Hatter]

Interesting story on this photo of Lynda. I have the whole photo somewhere in my files, that goes to the waist. ANYWAY, according to a little known Playboy article (with Burt Reynolds on the cover pulling the tail on a Playboy Bunny) on the movie "Apocalypse Now", Lynda Carter was originally signed to play the main Playboy Playmate whose centerfold is hanging up. Playboy shot her as a centerfold, and this is from that shot! But then Lynda got offered the role of "Wonder Woman", so she bowed out, and Colleen Camp took her place. Both are posed the same, with a denim jacket over their shoulders face tilted to the left, eyes to the camera.

I have both photos somewhere in my backup disks, but here I have included a (very cropped) version of Colleen's Centerfold that appeared in the movie.

[Mad_Hatter]

Ah, here's the Centerfold photo of Collen Camp. You can see how she's wearing the same denim jacket over her shoulders as Lynda did.

[Mad_Hatter]

And here's the Centerfold shot of Lynda in her entirety! I KNEW I had it somewhere! So you see, Lynda was posed topless in jeans with a denim jacket, left the production, and Colleen Camp took her place, and the centerfold was re-shot!

[gregj1967]

I hate to burst your bubble CTRFLD_Admirer, but this "Lynda Carter nude" is a well-known fake that has been around for years and has been debunked by several sources including The Fake Detective...



Check out TFD's website and see for yourself. It's Case #200 on this page...

http://www.fake-detective.com/book-2/casefl-2.html


As far as the Pl@boy article goes (10/79; pages 114-121, 195): the only mention of "Linda Carter" is in a quote from Colleen Camp when she says:

"Pl@boy did a centerfold shot with her, the whole bit. But seven months later a typhoon had destroyed all the sets and Linda couldn't continue because of Wonder Woman, I guess, and I was in the film after all."

First off, this info is coming from Colleen not from Pl@boy, Francis Coppola, or Lynda Carter so it's really just heresay information and doesn't provide a clear explanation of what really happened with that situation. That Colleen says they "did a centerfold shot, the whole bit" with Lynda doesn't necessarily mean it was a nude centerfold; it may have been an almost-nude "cover-up the tits 'n' bush" centerfold shot like the kind that were still being done at the time the movie was taking place (not when it was shot).

Second, if they had in fact done "the whole [centerfold shot] bit" with Lynda those pix would have come out Loooooooong ago. Pl@boy rarely, if ever, does a photo-shoot without retaining the publishing rights in full. They had no qualms about publishing the Suzanne Somers nude pix after she became famous on Three's Company, and everyone knows about the Vanessa Williams thing with Pen#h*use. Stills of Lynda nude from Bobbie Jo And The Outlaw have circulated for years in print and online and It doesn't take a lot of industry knowledge to figure out that if there were any posed nude photos of Lynda (regardless of how much skin is actually shown), they would have seen the light of day many moons ago. There's just too much money to be had to keep something like that locked up for 30 years.

Third, from what I've read, Bobbie Jo... was kind of a one-off for Lynda as far as nudity goes. Lots of actresses were doing nudity in the 1970s, a decade in which nudity and sexuality were being released from the bondage of 1950s prudism and moral stigma. In other words, a lot of people--people that wouldn't necessarily do it commonly, or even again at all--were taking their clothes off at nudist colonies, nude beaches, in their backyards, in the movies, in magazines, etc. It was liberating, or at least considered liberating at the time, especially for women. But I've read numerous interviews with Lynda where she says that if she had to do it all over again she wouldn't have done the nudes scenes in BJ&TO, and the impression I've always gotten from her is that nude modeling was not something she wanted to do, even back in the 1970s. Lynda was a top-shelf beauty pageanter and didn't really need the exposure of nude modeling to help her career I think.

Articles like this often gloss over the details of such situations anyway; it may have been that Lynda actually turned down the role because of the nudity, or that any such photos were destroyed or never printed because of the casting change. But changes like this usually aren't as simple as these types of promotional articles make them sound. Lynda probably bowed out when Wonder Woman came along, which was in 1976, not long after production began on Apocalypse Now but at least a year or more before the Bunny show scene was shot. Shooting on Apocalypse Now was delayed for long periods of time and any actress offered the starring role in her own TV series would easily take that over a relatively small part in a troubled feature film production. It may have been that Pl@boy had planned to do a shoot with Lynda for the movie but never had the chance because she began Wonder Woman before they could do it. Colleen Camp might have just gotten here facts mixed up a bit.

So once again, I'm sorry to burst your bubble (and everyone else's). We all wish that photo was real, but it ain't. And beware--I've seen E-Bay dealers trying to pass it off as genuine (and autographed no less!) charging $50 or more for it online. It's just a fantasy I'm afraid. A good one, but a fantasy just the same.

[Mad_Hatter]

I hate to burst your bubble CTRFLD_Admirer, but this "Lynda Carter nude" is a well-known fake that has been around for years and has been debunked by several sources including The Fake Detective...

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Fake Detective is wrong. BTW, that is the only site where I've seen it said to be a fake- all others refer to his site. So, if he's wrong, so would the others be. I had some emails with Mr. Fake over a decade ago, and found that his ego was such that even if proven wrong, he would never admit it. I found his arguments unconvincing. That someone would paint this pose of Lynda? Using the same clothes (note the rounded collars on both jackets) that Colleen Camp was wearing? Even the rings on the fingers? The Fake Detective said the same thing- if this was the case, how come they didn't come out earlier? Welll---

I've had a copy of this photo since 1980. There was a catalog put out by a small independent publishing company in California that published odd photos they had gotten hold of- Betsey Russell, Catherine Bach, Phoebe Cates, etc. This one was described simply as Lynda Carter- topless. So I ordered it. And it was remarkable. So, it may not have gotten wide circulation, but I've personally had a print of it for 27 years. I told old Fakeroo Detective that, but he didn't want to hear it. I offered to send him a scan of mine, which differs slightly in contrast from the above one. He refused. He said that OBVIOUSLY some artist decided to use the Colleen Camp Centerfold as a source and painted a fake. Why, I asked. Why THAT particular pose? All's he could think of was because Lynda Carter was supposed to be in Apocalpyse Now. Now you're saying that we can't go by that because it's only coming from Colleen Camp. Yet that's what the FD based his decision on in his emails to me. Can't have it both ways.

I have no problem believing Ms. Camp when she says Lynda was supposed to be in A-N. It's no more hearsay that Mr. FD saying that some artist painted it based on hearing Ms. Camp say that Lynda was the original Centerfold. Based on what? Just his conjecture.

So my findings have been that it being considered a fake is based solely on Mr. Detective saying so. I found him to be arrogant, and more than willing to stretch facts to fit theories rather than vice versa.

So, if you want to believe it's a fake, fine. But I for one feel that it's asking too much to believe that some artist decided out of the blue that using this photo of Colleen Camp would make a good basis for a fake painting (and Mr. Fake says it IS a painting) of Lynda.

And nothing changes the fact that I've had a copy of this photo for over 2 1/2 decades. Remember, it took 25 years for the photos of Sophia Loren in Era Lui, Si Si to surface! As a person who saw "Bobbie Jo and the Outlaw" in the movie theaters when it first came out and has been a Lynda Carter fan ever since, I've always been on the lookout for interesting items related to her.

I hope that I have set the record straight. For years the Fake Detective has screwed fans out of obtaining perhaps the best genuine topless photo of Lynda Carter. But, steer clear of autographed ones. THOSE are fake.

I felt the posibilities posed by CTRFLD_Admirer needed to be researched a bit, so that's what I did, and since I knew you all would want to know what I found, hence the long post.

And I wanted to post a rebuttal that addressed the case of the Fake Detective (indeed, he IS a fake), hence my long response. I should have addressed this in my original posting, too. The only source that ever said it was a fake was by the Fake Detective. All others, like greg here, assumed he knew what he was talking about. But he does not.

[gregj1967]

Well I still beg to differ with you CTRFLD_Admirer and I still say it's a fake. The pose "Lynda" is in is exactly the same as the Camp photo, but inverted. It's really no problem to make the changes that the artist made to the photo to get it to look like Lynda, and the fact that you've had the photo since 1980 doesn't mean anything; people have been creating fake & composite photos for decades, just ask the CIA. It's a very good fake, I'll grant you, but a fake nonetheless. I find it extremely hard to believe that a great nude photo of a well-known star--and a major sex-symbol at that--is still relatively obscure.

If it is genuine, why has Pl@boy NEVER published it? In the mid-70s Lynda wasn't a big enough star to demand or even ask that Pl@boy not publish it. I seriously doubt that Pl@boy ever spends the time and money on a photoshoot without retaining all publishing rights. Asuming it is a Pl@boy photo, how did anyone get a hold of a copy of the negative to make prints from without having their asses sued off by Hefner & Co.? How come that photo is not nearly as common as the many other swimsuit and cheesecake photos of Lynda that everyone has seen a million times already? It's a nude of Lynda Carter! If it was real it would be being sold by 20 times the e-bay dealers that do sell it.

Why use the Camp photo as a basis for a Lynda carter fake? Because Camp bears a resemblence to Lynda: dark hair, similar build, and of course, large breasts which indeed look about the size of Lynda's. Look at the lighting on Lynda's face and you'll see that it's dissimilar to the lighting on the rest of the torso. The clothing and pose are not identical but are very close. This might be a composite photo that drew upon several sources as to not look like an obvious fake, with airbrushing taking care of the rest of the details.

Don't know what I'm talking about? I've seen tens of thousands of fakes of virtually every celebrity you could name and although there are some truly realistic ones out there, I can always tell a fake from a genuine photo. Don't know why or how, but I just can. I've seen this pic at just about every fake site I've been to or belonged to, assuming the site had Lynda Carter section. I've never seen it promoted as genuine anywhere (except from the aforementioned e-bay dealers). I've also seen thousands of Lynda Carter pix over the years in print and online; I've seen numerous variations and versions of the same photos in the same photoshoots from every possible source so I think I DO know what I'm talking about. Hell, I'm the ONLY PERSON to EVER post exstensive vidcaps of Bobbie Jo and The Outlaw on the internet PERIOD, so I think I also have a good "feel" for what Lynda looks like nude. Do you have a DVD copy of Bobbie Jo? I do, and I didn't buy it online because nobody sells it online. I checked. About 10 times.

And The fact that there has never been any reference to this photoshoot in any interviews I've read with Lynda or any articles I've ever read in Pl@boy, or anywhere else at all for that matter just doesn't jibe at all. If the photo was real it would have been revealed as such and plastered everywhere long ago like every other sexy photo of Lynda. And don't give me the "Pl@boy probably didn't publish it at Lynda's request" or "they didn't want to embarass Wonder Woman" or "the network asked them not to/threatened to sue/ paid them off" explanations. There's just too much money to be had by publishing a genuine Lynda Carter nude for Pl@boy not to and their army of lawyers would no doubt be able to combat any threats or lawsuits that might come thier way as a result. Also, if this was part of a "photoshoot", why have we never seen the other photos of the shoot? Wouldn't someone with the negatives of this shot also have at least a few more from the same source?

If you or anyone else can PROVE that this is a genuine photo, I will eat all the words I've typed here. Third-party confirmation from a source such as Lynda herself, Pl@boy magazine, the photographer who did the shoot would all be acceptable to me.

Anyone else that frequents this thread have any opinions on this matter? Let's hear from some other voices on this issue regardless of what "side" they are on.

[Mad_Hatter]

Actually, I'm still looking for proof that it's a fake. You know, proving a negative and all that?

Um, I've seen extensive vidcaps before of Lynda Carter's set from Bobbie Jo before yours. So you are not the only one to do so. Period.

Some "unknown arteest" used Colleen's photo because Camp bears a resemblance to Lynda? Come on. So do a lot of better known actresses, centerfolds and such. For example, why not use a photo of Cynthia Myers? So Mr. Unknown Arteest just happened to use that one Centerfold shot of Colleen? The same basic pose from Apocolypse Now? Odds are way against it. Why hasn't that artist come forward?

As far as the rest of your argument goes, it's all conjecture. You're assuming there were other photos. You're assuming that Playboy even remembers! When they did K.C. Winkler's pictorial, they didn't even mention that she tried out for their 25th Anniversary (her photo was in that issue). You're assuming that some artist decided to use Colleen's photo out of all the hundreds of possible other actresses for a fake photo.

Again, it boils down to Mr. Fake Dick saying it's phony. All the other "what-ifs" and "why nots" were conjured up to back up his theory.

Here are the facts: Colleen Camp said that Lynda was the original choice for the Centerfold. Colleen said they did the Centerfold shot, and I see no reason to doubt her. I've had this photo for 27 years. And as we can see, the outfit and such are the same.

Everything else is based on conjecture. I say it's real. Sure, let's see what others may think.

[gregj1967]

Actually I'm still looking for proof that it's a genuine photo. You know, proving a positive and all that? But I guess I'm the kind of person who gets suspicious when confronted with something that seems to have no discernable origin or trail of existence to speak of. When confronted with something as significant as a Lynda Carter nude that has supposedly remained absurdly obscure for almost 30 years, I'd like some proof that it's real. Otherwise, I ain't biting.

I'd like to see those extensive vidcaps of Lynda from Bobbie Jo that you mentioned having been posted online before mine. I've done over a dozen different google image searches for everything related to BJ&TO online over the years and I've never seen anything except scans of the film frame stills from Celebrity Skin magazine, or shoddy, low-quality VHS vidcaps of the just the nude and semi-nude scenes from the film (and only a handful of those at that). Please post links to any sites that have extensive vidcaps of the entire film (or at least of the first half hour which is all I've yet been able to cap and post). I'm sure a lot of us that frequent this thread would like to see them. I know I would; instead of spending the time it takes to do my own vidcaps I can just re-post theirs. Please post those links if you can.

The Colleen Camp photo in question was never publicly seen until the Pl@boy article from the 10/79 issue. The c-fold shot of Colleen is barely visible in Apocalypse Now although it gets a little more screen time in Apocalypse Now Redux. My guess is that some clever fellow read the same article, found out about Lynda's almost-participation in the film, and concocted a fake using the Colleen Camp photo--at least in part--as the basis for his Lynda Carter version (complete with staples in the center to give it that "genuine" look). Like I said last time, making fake & composite photos to be passed off as genuine is nothing new; government intelligence services have been doing these sorts of things going back at least to the 1950s.

And I believe there have been several fakes of Lynda using Cynthia Myers fantastic Pl@boy photos over the years (I'll see if I can dig up any and post them here). But Cynthia's Pl@boy shoot is one of the most well known Playmate shoots of all time. If someone wanted to make a fake to pass off as genuine why would they use such a well-known centerfold that too many people would recognize? Not much profit in being recognized as a fake if you're trying to pass something off as genuine, which I think also answers the question of why the "artist" has never come forward: after passing off this photo as real and selling copies of it, why would such a person come forward and admit that it's a fake? He wouldn't be able to make money off of it anymore and would probably get buried in lawsuits.

You're right about one thing: much of my argument is conjecture, but then again so is yours and without much solid reasoning or facts to back it up. An organization like Pl@boy no doubt keeps very concise and organized records and archives of all the photoshoots they've done over the years. One look at the sheer amount of photo re-presentation in their specials--the square-bound type that cost like $7-$9, not the "special issues" of the regular magazine--proves that, although it doesn't really have to; Pl@boy's bread and butter is nude photography and I seriously doubt they ever "forget" anything (that's what archives and records are for anyway). As for the K.C. Williams example, do you know for sure that they "forgot" about the previous photo(s)? Perhaps they decided not to use them for a variety of reasons and therefore didn't mention them.

In any given photoshoot there are dozens, sometimes hundreds of shots taken that are never used for the actual magazine layout. The editors and photographers need to have a wide variety of shots to choose from when selecting those relative few that will ultimately be used in a published photospread. This is another reason why, if the photo of Lynda is a genuine Pl@yboy photo, it can hardley be the only one. It might be the only one that anyone has got a hold of--assuming it's real for a second--but it was no doubt one of dozens of shots taken during the supposed photoshoot. Pro photogs never shoot just one photo for something like this, they usually shoot dozens of shots in different poses, lighting etc., so they can have a selection to show their bosses when it come time to pick just one.

Now I'm not questioning Collen Camp's intelligence, honesty, or memory, but she's referring to events that she was not a part of or even a witness to that occoured years before she became aware of them. That's heresay. I'm not judging Colleen, I'm just saying that she's relating events that she wasn't witness to so she could be wrong. It is possible. She may not have heard the whole story, or the person who told her may not have known the full story, and Colleen was never an actual Playmate anyway so I doubt if she had much of an "inside track" regarding the goings-on with Hef &Co.

And lastly: just because you've had the photo for 27 years doesn't mean it's genuine. It doesn't mean it's a fake either. It doesn't prove anything except that it was shot or created prior to when you obtained it in 1980.

It's funny, I just looked through several dozen copies of both Celebrity Skin and Celebrity Sleuth magazines and found at least seven different article/ photo-layouts on Lynda. ALL of them use pix from Bobbie Jo, most use pix from Wonder Woman, some use pix of Lynda in tight-fitting workout gear, or shots from her Vegas act or TV specials, or other sexy pix of her in swimwear and sexy clothes. NONE of them use the photo we're discussing here. Not one. Now you'd think that whoever owns the rights to the photo would want to sell the shot to magazines that regularly do skin-oriented photo-articles on Lynda Carter. And you better beleive that both Celeb Skin & Celeb Sleuth would pay top dollar for the rights to that photo. But they haven't. You know why? Because it's not real. I wish it was my good man, but it ain't. In my opinion of course.

[Mad_Hatter]

You're right about one thing: much of my argument is conjecture, but then again so is yours and without much solid reasoning or facts to back it up.

Actually, you're wrong.

The Fake Dick approached this picture out to prove it was a fake. He had no interest in finding out whether it was genuine. He didn't even know about the Colleen Camp interview saying Lynda Carter had done it until I told him.

Unfortunately for The Fake Dick, he couldn't rely on his usual "here's the original photo of the nude body, and here's the head it was taken from". The only way to make this photo a fake was to conjure up some story about some artist painting it. Come on. That's an awful lot of effort to make a fake photo.

There's no saying that Playboy has the photo in its archives. Since Lynda wasn't used, Playboy may've lost it. If they even had it in the first place. Remember, the studio arranged to have the photo taken, not Playboy. The only copy I ever saw of the Colleen Camp Centerfold was in that issue.

And what are the odds that some artist picked the Colleen Camp photo which, as you said, in the original movie was shown for just a few seconds? Of all the possible models, especially since it was being painted, he could've picked a better one.

The odds are are against it.

In order to assume it's a fake, we have to accept:

1. That Colleen Camp was lying when she said in her article that Lynda was the first choice and a centerfold shot was taken of Lynda. Since she was on the set, and would know that she was the second choice, I see no reason to doubt her.
2. That some artist decided, out of all the possible models, to use one of Colleen Camp from Apocalypse Now that appeared in a 20 second segment of the movie.
3. That this artist would use the details from Camp's photo right down to the clothes in the shot.

In order to think it's a fake, we have to make up an unsubstantiated theory that some artist did it. That's a stretch. Everyone just took The Fake Dick's theory at his word without really stopping to think how many coincidences he came up with that would have to occur for it to be a fake.

Here's a scan of my copy that I've had for 28 years.

The photo is Lynda- her unused Centerfold shot for Apocalypse Now.

[gregj1967]

OK. Before I get into the latest installment in this ongoing debate, I'd just like to say that it's actually been something of a pleasure CTRFLD_Admirer. I can respect people who come in and shake things up around here from time to time. You're involvement here has livened things up and given us all alot to think about and personally, I appreciate it, even if I don't agree with you.

Now, on to the business at hand.

Originally Posted by CTRFLD_Admirer

The Fake Dick approached this picture out to prove it was a fake. He had no interest in finding out whether it was genuine. He didn't even know about the Colleen Camp interview saying Lynda Carter had done it until I told him.

Unfortunately for The Fake Dick, he couldn't rely on his usual "here's the original photo of the nude body, and here's the head it was taken from". The only way to make this photo a fake was to conjure up some story about some artist painting it. Come on. That's an awful lot of effort to make a fake photo.

The Fake Dick's report is not the only reason I think it's a fake. I've listed numerous reasons as to why the photo's authenticity is improbable at best (which I'm not going to repeat; if you want to read them, go back to my last two posts on this issue). I simply used the FD's composite and referenced his report on it as one source of information. In addition it seems your criticism of FD is somewhat personal based on your interaction with him, but none of what you say disproves his assertion that the photo is a fake. You just kinda think he's a jerk. Besides, one wouldn't have had to read the Playboy article to come to a conclusion about the photo's validity, since that article doesn't prove anything one way or another.

There's no saying that Playboy has the photo in its archives. Since Lynda wasn't used, Playboy may've lost it. If they even had it in the first place. Remember, the studio arranged to have the photo taken, not Playboy. The only copy I ever saw of the Colleen Camp Centerfold was in that issue.

But in you're initial posting you DO SAY that this was a Playboy photoshoot. That's what Colleen Camp says also: "Playboy did a photoshoot with her, the whole bit...". But now you're saying that it may not have been a Playboy photoshoot? Which one is it: a Playboy shoot or not? That would make a considerable difference since anything Playboy shoots is no doubt 100% publishing rights retained and carefully archived. Does anyone out there really believe that a 50+ year old mega-magazine empire like Playboy just "loses" or "forgets" about a shot like this? If someone else shot it, then, well...anything's possible right? Very convenient but not a very convincing argument. And sheer conjecture--out of left field--I might add.

And what are the odds that some artist picked the Colleen Camp photo which, as you said, in the original movie was shown for just a few seconds? Of all the possible models, especially since it was being painted, he could've picked a better one.

Like I said before, it's possible that someone was reading that article and got the idea to create a Lynda Carter centerfold photo from it and make some money. Sounds possible, even likely, to me. I've seen fakirs use much more obscure shots than the Colleen Camp photo. Perhaps the person thought that since the Camp photo only appeared in that one article that maybe fewer people would recognize it if he used it as the basis for a fake. There are any number of reasons why that picture could have been used. And personally I don't agree with the FD about it being painted. Airbrushing was clearly used, but the basis is a photograph I think.

In order to assume it's a fake, we have to accept:

1. That Colleen Camp was lying when she said in her article that Lynda was the first choice and a centerfold shot was taken of Lynda. Since she was on the set, and would know that she was the second choice, I see no reason to doubt her.

No we don't. As I said before, I'm NOT questioning Colleen's honesty (and I NEVER called her a liar), but she may very well have gotten her facts mixed-up. That's the problem with heresay information; since it doesn't come from a source who was actually involved in or a witness to those events and decisions, it's unrealiable. Not to mention the fact that the story often changes slightly when it goes from one person to another, to another, etc. The fact that Colleen was on the set for SOME OF the shooting of Apocalypse Now hardley means she was privy to all the minute casting details that took place BEFORE she even got there.

2. That some artist decided, out of all the possible models, to use one of Colleen Camp from Apocalypse Now that appeared in a 20 second segment of the movie.

Well, it did appear in the Playboy article didn't it. So someone could have blown up that shot and used it as the basis for a fake. The fact that it's barely visible in the film would actually be a plus as far as the fakir is concerned since the shot wouldn't be as easy for the general public to recognize, assuming of course the fakir's intent was to pass off his creation as real and fool somebody into paying money for it as a genuine photo.

3. That this artist would use the details from Camp's photo right down to the clothes in the shot.

Why not? That shot looks a lot like a 1960s Playboy shot but was never an actual centerfold and was only published in that one article in that one issue. Colleen's hair color, breast size, and build are all similar to Lynda's meaning that there's that much less work to do on altering the photo (which wouldn't be the case had he selected a shot of a blonde with medium-sized breasts and a less dynamic physique). Clearly whoever concocted this fake DIDN'T want anyone to know that he had used this source material. To cover his tracks further, I believe the fakir altered certain details of the posture through simple cutting and pasting, airbrushing, and then took a photo of his creation. The graininess of the photo you recently posted would also serve to obscure any evidence of such alterations.

Here's a scan of my copy that I've had for 28 years.

The photo is Lynda- her unused Centerfold shot for Apocalypse Now.

How does the fact that you've had the photo for 28 years prove that it's real? You keep mentioning how long you've had it as if that really means anything. As I've said before, people were creating fake photos long before the home computer or Photoshop existed. It just took a lot longer and required certain technical knowledge in order to do so.

A couple of days ago I did yet another Google image search for Lynda Carter. I went to about 36 different sites and blogs that had pix of Lynda and only two of those had this shot posted (out of hundreds of photos). Both were blogs and in one case all that was written about it was that it turned on the ********* The other blogger also mentioned how much he liked it, and rhetorically asked if it was real. The headshot only was posted in the JSR pages Lynda Carter section with the nudity cut out. Since JSR does post other celeb nudes, I assume they beleive it's a fake, or are at least not sure enough to post the whole picture. No doubt this photo is posted elsewhere--aside from fake sites--I just got tired after looking at 36-odd sites for several hours. But this is like the third time I've done searches related to this photo without coming up with anything substantial.

This photo simply has no history connected with it that would indicate it's authenticity, on the contrary--it's low-profile on sites that post only real photos of Lynda Carter combined with it's presence on sites that specialize in fakes only, would seem to indicate that it ain't genuine. After reading several dozen biographies of Lynda--albeit short ones--there's no reference to this photo, Lynda's involvement in Apocalypse Now, Lynda ever posing nude for Playboy or for anyone else anywhere. Wikipedia's biography of Lynda states that THE ONLY TIME SHE EVER APPEARED NUDE IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA was in Bobbie Jo and the Outlaw. But maybe they just "forgot" as well. And after all Wikipedia is an unreliable source of information and not really used by too many people on the web anyway, right?

I'm now beginning to question whether Lynda was ever really connected with Apocalypse Now in the first place. There's no mention of her in Karl French On "Apocalypse Now"(Bloomsbury Movie Guide #1, 1998, Bloomsbury Publishing, New York) which is an A to Z guide on everything related to the film.

There's also no reference of any kind to Lynda in The Apocalypse Now Book By Peter Cowie (2001, Da Capo Press), a detailed & authorized book covering the film from inception right through to the re-cut and release of Apocalypse Now Redux. But there is a little bit of info I found interesting...

On page 20 it says that the original actresses cast as the Playmates were "real-life Playmates" Linda Carpenter (sounds kinda like Lynda Carter, doesn't it?), Linda Hoflich, and Cyndi Wood. The author makes a mistake by writing that Cyndi Wood was replaced by Colleen Camp, which she wasn't since Cyndi appears in both versions of the film (with a greatly expanded role in Redux). Colleen in fact replaced Playmate Linda Hoflich. Lynda Carter was a virtual unknown at the time and I think it's possible that Colleen confused her name with Linda Carpenter's or Linda Hoflich's. Maybe, maybe not. But there's absolutely no reference to Lynda Carter anywhere in this book which is the most definitive book yet written about the film.

CTRFLD_Admirer, I'm leaving you the last word here since this will be my last post on this subject, at least for now. I just have too many other things to do and the time it takes to properly rebut you has taken away from the time I usually spend doing posts in other threads which I have been neglecting.

I've decide however to take this matter to the source: Lynda Carter herself. I found a mailing address for her online, and confirmed it through several different online sources, and intend to write her a letter asking her what the real story on this photo is. Whether I get a response or not is anyone's guess but It seems the only way to clear this matter up once and for all (and may not even do that). If and when I get a response I will post it here in it's entirety for all to see.

Until then...I've said all I really have to say on this matter. If my arguments don't convince you or anyone else reading this than there's really nothing else I can say. I've done my best to form and present as reasonable and logical an argument as I can. If that's not good enough, well...

I'll be back soon with more vidcaps of Lynda as usual.