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September 8th, 2018, 09:43 PM | #35031 | |
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In Vietnam it would go like this: "So, McCain, you won't bomb those targets? All right. I'm stripping you of your wings, and putting you in the Air Police. Oh, and we've got a bunch of wrecked aircraft right up near the front lines, you know, where all those crazy special forces guys are bivouacked. There might be some classified stuff up there that needs policing up, so I am attaching you to THEM. You can go out on patrol and stop by the crash sites as they come up. Lots of Viet Cong up there. Make sure you sign out a rifle and lots of ammo. Enjoy the rest of your Vietnam tour, PRIVATE McCain." In Hollywood, conscientious objectors are heroes. In a real life war, they become cannon fodder.
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Your grandmother was right to hold a grudge. She knew what it meant to have bombs raining on her, something that the Vietnamese people would experience later through the heroics of John McCain. After they burned the country the ground, the US never considered paying war reparations. There's not even an apology to this day. You're totally right. War is not something you can discuss objectively by moralizing. But there is still right and wrong and the people who protested the war all over America were certainly aware that or do you think they were a bunch of fools? It was democracy in action. People who didn't want their country killing babies in some remote part of the world. This is basic decency. Quote:
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I've already mentioned his support for the Ukrainian Nazi death squads during and after the US-backed coup in 2014. When those accusations of Russian meddling in US election arose, he called it an act of war. Really? And wasn't it McCain who told Trump to nuke North Korea or at least "consider it"? If I say warmongering, you'll say that he's just exercising his duty to the nation. Oh, well. Let's put an end to this before things go out of control. I'd rather maintain some of the respect I've still got left for you. But don't patronize me again. Quote:
That depends on the concrete situation. I've just recently this documentary about the German Dieter Dengler who went to the US to become a pilot since Germany had no air force of its own after WW2. The film was made by Werner Herzog. Now Dieter Dengler served in Vietnam himself and was doing what McCain did and got shot down, becoming a POW himself. Was he a war criminal? I don't think so. Ever since he was a kid, his dream was to become a pilot and given all the circumstances in his life, the US Navy was the place where his dream could become true. He was then sent off to Vietnam and I don't think he could say no. Especially not as a foreigner and a German as that but also because he enlisted in the Navy and was bound to performing his duties. That country and that army gave him the chance to become a pilot. But Dengler was just a soldier like thousands of other US soldiers. They're not war criminals per se but those who volunteered are certainly not heroes by any standards. It's one thing when you volunteer to fight the menace of a genocidal murder machine like Nazi Germany and another when you enlist to kill some poor peasants "for the thrill", deluding yourself into thinking that you're serving your nation. John McCain came from a wealthy and influental family with a military tradition. Unlike someone like Dieter Dengler, he greatly profited from his hero narrative to pursue his political ambitions and material well-being. To people like that, there's nothing wrong in bombing a country to ashes and killing millions of people. If anything, you'd expect some modesty from a hero like that. |
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"The criminal invasion of Vietnam ?" I take it that You are referring to the invasion of the South by North Vietnam ?
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Unfortunately, today's generation seems to differs greatly from the generation that announced its verdicts at that time. Some of their heroes should be hung right next to the Nazis. |
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Hard to see how the dozy mare can explain let alone justify that shooting. Unless being in your own home is now a criminal offence on Texas I bet the Texas plods are now busy trying to dig up some shit, no matter how obscure, on him now to deflect the blame.
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The "Texas plods" are charging her with manslaughter.
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