How would you save Playboy? - Page 41

**Siroga** · July 27th, 2016, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyBlack66

I think there is tremendous potential to rebuild that brand but they need to do it soon before the legacy fades into obscurity.

I agree with some of your points, one of which is "de-emphasize Hugh Hefner as a point of reference" – so true. But, damn, so late. They should have started to think about the changes much much earlier, not in twenty-sixteen. Nowadays neither "bros" nor "hipsters", en masse, doesn't give a damn about PB (and that Hefner baggage is one of the reasons).

Another problem is who are ready to pay and for what type of content these days. PlayboyPlus as of today isn't something I'm very fond of, but they have their own userbase, just like other adult websites such as Met-Art, Hegre-Art, Femjoy etc. That's what paying public is willing to consume. And I'm not sure it could be applied to your vision, unfortunately. The majority of people these days doesn't care about legacy Playboy content (and any other retro stuff), they want new stuff only as a daily updates for a fixed monthly fee. Quantity over quality: sets may be unimaginative and cheap, but they have to be everyday. Your beloved Playboy videos take a lot of money to produce. That's why PEI parted with Trikilis, and that's why Mindgeek doesn't hurry to invite Cope or whatever, to shoot videos for PlayboyPlus.

BillyBlack66 · July 28th, 2016, 03:15 PM

Appealing to the majority would be a futile endeavor since the internet splintered pop culture. Playboy will never have a fanbase as large as it once did. In rebuilding the brand they would necessarily be seeking a niche market.

"Hipsters" may be either too broad or too narrow a term for the market I think Playboy could capture. I notice this about many young men: they enjoy exploring and discovering cultural artifacts from Mid Century onward. Some have presented Hunter S. Thompson or Vonnegut to me as authors they 'discovered.' Encouraged me to check out 'obscure' musicians such as David Bowie. Extolled the Planet of The Apes movies as forgotten gems. These are people who display a certain intellectual curiosity. Playboy should be seeking them out.

I have chatted with guys in their twenties who discovered Sixties and Seventies Centerfolds and prefer them over contemporary Playmates. I created a playlist in MyCircle with a series of vignettes culled from Playboy videos and some of the younger guys considered those videos a revelation.

My own discovery of Vintage Playboy during the 1980s came from the 30th Anniversary Newsstand Specials. That led me to seeking back issues at fleamarkets. That led to me becoming a collector and a dedicated fan.

I think Playboy Plus has been a creative failure. I think a rebuild of the Playboy brand ought to be an explicit turn from the mostly boring washed out photography they have presented. There must be talented photographers whose vision is a reaction to the artistry of Bunny Yeager, Pompeo Posar, etc.

Current technology makes production of new material, both photo and video, much cheaper than before. There is a great deal of material that is already produced that may be discoverable by a younger audience if the opportunity is presented.

I have no advice on what Playboy ought to do with the Print Edition. Perhaps, suspend it or make it a high quality art magazine. Best quality paper and printing and then charge whatever it costs to pay for the production. Advertise more high end products in the pages. People might want it around they might not. I think they ought to be concentrating on trying to create a single marquis website. Offering free material draws people to the website. Offering erotic content on that is singular in nature gets some of them to hand over their money.

I do like Playboy Videos. I don't think anything else offers their particular appeal. I can't imagine that the future of erotica is only women spreading their legs wider and wider in artless photographs and videos of cocks pistoning repetitively in and out of the various orifices of apparent bored abuse victims. There must still be a market for art in erotica. I think Playboy is uniquely positioned to cater to that market.

roofy · August 5th, 2016, 10:14 AM

only one thing can save IMO, and that is if they had secret archive of PMs of 70's, 80's and 90's (before shaving) and released glorious NEW more explicit sets, of course this is just fantasy but i can only imagine my fav's like Sherri Arnett, Karen Witter and Kelly Tough doing old-style Penthouse type sets.

humungus · August 7th, 2016, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by roofy

only one thing can save IMO, and that is if they had secret archive of PMs of 70's, 80's and 90's (before shaving) and released glorious NEW more explicit sets, of course this is just fantasy but i can only imagine my fav's like Sherri Arnett, Karen Witter and Kelly Tough doing old-style Penthouse type sets.

That's what I say since years and posted it on this thread years ago. There are a lot people who woul really pay high amounts for these archives, but beware:
Last year I tried to gain access to the archives of the German Playboy and I found out that the destroyed at least the whole 70s and 80s archives when they moved to another address. So I would be not so sure that the old material at playboy still exists.

derapas · August 20th, 2016, 11:15 AM

Very late to this thread...but honestly Playboy article content must be rewrapped again with the most beautiful American GNDs. That is a huge void. PB has been pulling Met-Art Euro models..stop it! What is the US version of Met-Art? I don't think there is one. And honestly is there not a void for well done nude Female Celebs? PB always caught the best on their way up or their way down. Who owns that today? Maxim...but always PG where in Playboy you find the perfect balance of the R rating.

**footstep** · August 20th, 2016, 04:42 PM

Would save it Having an erection.

**bowlinggreen** · August 20th, 2016, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derapas

Very late to this thread...but honestly Playboy article content must be rewrapped again with the most beautiful American GNDs. That is a huge void. PB has been pulling Met-Art Euro models..stop it! What is the US version of Met-Art? I don't think there is one. And honestly is there not a void for well done nude Female Celebs? PB always caught the best on their way up or their way down. Who owns that today? Maxim...but always PG where in Playboy you find the perfect balance of the R rating.

Those European girls from the better studios are just hard to top, period, at least in comparison with what is being touted as "A-List" American porn these days.

Might be pure economics - if you can pay some hot Russian chick $500 for a new magazine shoot, vs. the $5000 the American chick wants, what are you going to do?

**jetpacksam** · April 24th, 2017, 01:18 PM

1} Kill airbrushing. Kill it dead.
2} Shoot on film.
3} Ban silicone. {I'd ban razors too, but I am a purist}
And finally:
4} Run dual PM@M, with the second "centerfold" being a a retro PM@M for that month from a corresponding year by the last digit. eg next month would be May so May 67/77/87/97 but no more recent than 20 years but here's the kicker:
Do not use any pictures that have been previously used.

**Rogerbh** · April 25th, 2017, 08:25 AM

How can you save any porn magazine now days? It will never be as profitable as it was pre internet. Way too much free porn online.

Wankers were the bread and butter of early Playboy. They will never get the numbers they had before.

**cginok** · April 25th, 2017, 07:53 PM

Every month give away a "Night with the PMoM." Inside each months copy include a ticket, or entry form, whatever you want to call it. Buyer of copy fills it out, sends it in, a winner is drawn. Winner gets a free trip to LA to spend one night in a luxury hotel, with free room service, with whomever was the centerfold for the corresponding month of the entry form. You would also have to imply...in such a way that everyone knows what you're saying, but it's still legal...that the winner not only would be spending the night with the centerfold, he would be getting some. Do that, and you won't be able to print enough magazines to keep up with the demand.

April 24th, 2017, 01:18 PM	#408
jetpacksam Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Seattle AKA LV426 Posts: 404 Thanks: 341 Thanked 10,401 Times in 386 Posts	1} Kill airbrushing. Kill it dead. 2} Shoot on film. 3} Ban silicone. {I'd ban razors too, but I am a purist} And finally: 4} Run dual PM@M, with the second "centerfold" being a a retro PM@M for that month from a corresponding year by the last digit. eg next month would be May so May 67/77/87/97 but no more recent than 20 years but here's the kicker: Do not use any pictures that have been previously used. __________________ MMMM Patti

July 28th, 2016, 03:15 PM	#402
BillyBlack66 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 44 Thanks: 2,488 Thanked 867 Times in 41 Posts	Appealing to the majority would be a futile endeavor since the internet splintered pop culture. Playboy will never have a fanbase as large as it once did. In rebuilding the brand they would necessarily be seeking a niche market. "Hipsters" may be either too broad or too narrow a term for the market I think Playboy could capture. I notice this about many young men: they enjoy exploring and discovering cultural artifacts from Mid Century onward. Some have presented Hunter S. Thompson or Vonnegut to me as authors they 'discovered.' Encouraged me to check out 'obscure' musicians such as David Bowie. Extolled the Planet of The Apes movies as forgotten gems. These are people who display a certain intellectual curiosity. Playboy should be seeking them out. I have chatted with guys in their twenties who discovered Sixties and Seventies Centerfolds and prefer them over contemporary Playmates. I created a playlist in MyCircle with a series of vignettes culled from Playboy videos and some of the younger guys considered those videos a revelation. My own discovery of Vintage Playboy during the 1980s came from the 30th Anniversary Newsstand Specials. That led me to seeking back issues at fleamarkets. That led to me becoming a collector and a dedicated fan. I think Playboy Plus has been a creative failure. I think a rebuild of the Playboy brand ought to be an explicit turn from the mostly boring washed out photography they have presented. There must be talented photographers whose vision is a reaction to the artistry of Bunny Yeager, Pompeo Posar, etc. Current technology makes production of new material, both photo and video, much cheaper than before. There is a great deal of material that is already produced that may be discoverable by a younger audience if the opportunity is presented. I have no advice on what Playboy ought to do with the Print Edition. Perhaps, suspend it or make it a high quality art magazine. Best quality paper and printing and then charge whatever it costs to pay for the production. Advertise more high end products in the pages. People might want it around they might not. I think they ought to be concentrating on trying to create a single marquis website. Offering free material draws people to the website. Offering erotic content on that is singular in nature gets some of them to hand over their money. I do like Playboy Videos. I don't think anything else offers their particular appeal. I can't imagine that the future of erotica is only women spreading their legs wider and wider in artless photographs and videos of cocks pistoning repetitively in and out of the various orifices of apparent bored abuse victims. There must still be a market for art in erotica. I think Playboy is uniquely positioned to cater to that market.

August 5th, 2016, 10:14 AM	#403
roofy Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 36 Thanks: 19 Thanked 417 Times in 30 Posts	only one thing can save IMO, and that is if they had secret archive of PMs of 70's, 80's and 90's (before shaving) and released glorious NEW more explicit sets, of course this is just fantasy but i can only imagine my fav's like Sherri Arnett, Karen Witter and Kelly Tough doing old-style Penthouse type sets.

August 20th, 2016, 11:15 AM	#405
derapas Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 35 Thanked 74 Times in 9 Posts	Very late to this thread...but honestly Playboy article content must be rewrapped again with the most beautiful American GNDs. That is a huge void. PB has been pulling Met-Art Euro models..stop it! What is the US version of Met-Art? I don't think there is one. And honestly is there not a void for well done nude Female Celebs? PB always caught the best on their way up or their way down. Who owns that today? Maxim...but always PG where in Playboy you find the perfect balance of the R rating.

August 20th, 2016, 04:42 PM	#406
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,801 Times in 7,170 Posts	Would save it Having an erection.

April 25th, 2017, 08:25 AM	#409
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,612 Thanked 91,387 Times in 10,784 Posts	How can you save any porn magazine now days? It will never be as profitable as it was pre internet. Way too much free porn online. Wankers were the bread and butter of early Playboy. They will never get the numbers they had before.

April 25th, 2017, 07:53 PM	#410
cginok Vintage Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 603 Thanks: 61 Thanked 5,414 Times in 594 Posts	Every month give away a "Night with the PMoM." Inside each months copy include a ticket, or entry form, whatever you want to call it. Buyer of copy fills it out, sends it in, a winner is drawn. Winner gets a free trip to LA to spend one night in a luxury hotel, with free room service, with whomever was the centerfold for the corresponding month of the entry form. You would also have to imply...in such a way that everyone knows what you're saying, but it's still legal...that the winner not only would be spending the night with the centerfold, he would be getting some. Do that, and you won't be able to print enough magazines to keep up with the demand.