Current or modern politics in the United States

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Jenny48549

Let me give you a little reality check

The reality check should be for the likes of myself and others that live where I do and acknowledge we sometimes just forget how lucky and maybe smart we really are.

Originally Posted by Brian249x

We have already seen cashier jobs disappearing with self checkout. A ton of jobs have been automated out of existence, e.g., accounts payable clerks.

Do what I do, don't use self checkout
We still pay bills using the post office with a paper bill sent in the mail

If the public were serious about disappearing jobs they'd get off their asses and do things the old fashioned way

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Do what I do, don't use self checkout
We still pay bills using the post office with a paper bill sent in the mail

If the public were serious about disappearing jobs they'd get off their asses and do things the old fashioned way

I guess they don't throw any service charges but doing things the old way like they do here. Over here doing things like getting a paper check from your job paying for your bills in person or doing other things can be a charge on top of what you already paying. they did not come up with these conveniences on our accounts

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

Just to add insult to injury, fast food outlets are now able to replace human chefs with robots. We have already seen cashier jobs disappearing with self checkout. A ton of jobs have been automated out of existence, e.g., accounts payable clerks.

Expect it to get worse. I read a prediction that within another 30-40 years literally millions of jobs will be taken over by automated systems.

If a social solution is not found we will have a vast angry unemployed underclass, composed not of the traditional deadheaders from times past but of smart and able people who in former times would have had little trouble securing a middle class existence.

A classic recipe for revolution.

The elites are going to have to give way eventually to things like universal healthcare and a UBI, because the alternative for them is a lot worse.

Where I live food is cheap (relatively), but I have seen a steep increase over the last few years in utility prices and housing is rising as well, it's getting pretty tough for somebody who is not a professional with a high income to qualify for and make a down payment on a decent house.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

If the public were serious about disappearing jobs they'd get off their asses and do things the old fashioned way

Just wait until somebody builds an AI-controlled brickmaking factory. It's coming.

Hopefully you will be retired or close to it by then and you can say "whew! missed that disaster by a whore's cunt hair!"

Future aspiring brickmakers will be out of luck, however.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

I guess they don't throw any service charges but doing things the old way like they do here.

I'd consider it a small price to pay, that's one of the small ways I stick it to the companies, they'd dearly love to get rid of manual tasks like those, but if the big majority stuck to the old ways, they'd give in.

A great example is right here today, milk prices, our 2 main supermarket chains decided in 2010 to sell milk for $1 a litre using their own labels, it's really screwed the dairy farmers, add in some places around my country that have suffered some quite bad droughts .. a lot of farmers have gone under, last year or so the supermarkets have copped a lot of flack with quite a few now not buying the supermarket brands own milk and paying a premium and add in the bad publicity they're getting .... one of them today upped their price for the first time in nearly 9 years. I for one knew back then the dairy farmers would be screwed never once bought the cheap milk.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Just wait until somebody builds an AI-controlled brickmaking factory. It's coming.

I'd love to watch a robot use a shovel and dig out a tail drum that got buried with clay on a conveyor that runs uphill, or pick up a stack of bricks that collapsed plus clean up the mess with brooms from the ones that broke and caused damage to sensors along a slat conveyor or even drive a loader out in a quarry, especially when it's wet

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Jenny48549

Let me give you a little reality check on what young people run into these days in this country.

That's the same in many European countries since decades.
But now rich liberal class found a solution. They offer internships paid a "peanuts" price.

1) People who are over 50 years old and cost more in social charges to the enterprise are fired.
2) These "old" people who need a job are in competition with younger generations having no choice than to accept "internships".

That's classic liberalism. People often think: "Cool, we are free in liberalism".
But liberalism can become a soft "fascist" system giving all the power to the banks and the property owners.

I do not understand what are waiting "lowest social classes" to protest.
The only peaceful solution is to go on strike.

I spent the majority of my life voting for left liberals socio-democrats, thinking they will manage better the social system.... But they are a bunch of liars too.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Expect it to get worse. I read a prediction that within another 30-40 years literally millions of jobs will be taken over by automated systems.

I read it could be up to 70% of the jobs.

I recently read a Swiss right economic newspaper.
They asked several questions to one of their representants on this thema.

Question: "Do we have to tax robots?"
Answer: "No, absolutely not. People have to find or convert into a new job."

... No more question from the journalist.

I'd have asked: "Ok... Will your enterprise pay the reconversion for all your employees that your robots will replace?"

I'm glad to have spent my best years in a society that still was not confronted by its aberrations, but I feel really preoccupied for the next generations.

[Arturo2nd]

I was just reading an article about a strawberry picking machine currently being tested. It covers eight rows at a time, but can't currently tell good strawberries from bad or avoid crushing many ripe strawberries.

But it took them awhile to perfect the apple, pear, tomato, and nut picking machines currently in use.

If we were younger, we would be the target market for sex robots, thereby putting our wanking hands out of work.

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

I was just reading an article about a strawberry picking machine currently being tested. It covers eight rows at a time, but can't currently tell good strawberries from bad or avoid crushing many ripe strawberries.

But it took them awhile to perfect the apple, pear, tomato, and nut picking machines currently in use.

If we were younger, we would be the target market for sex robots, thereby putting our wanking hands out of work.

Having watched first hand-and been entertained for a considerable period by the antics of a friend's simple robotic vacuum cleaner....unable to cope with an obstacle in the form of a four legged chair.....I mean what an unusual thing to encounter in someone's living room.....! ......I am quite comfortable that 'robots have taken all our jobs' is still a long way off....
It's before my time-but in the 50s-nuclear fusion was 'just around the corner'.....electricity will be so cheap they'll hardly be able to give it away...well its very nearly 70 years later and....?

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Expect it to get worse. I read a prediction that within another 30-40 years literally millions of jobs will be taken over by automated systems.

If a social solution is not found we will have a vast angry unemployed underclass, composed not of the traditional deadheaders from times past but of smart and able people who in former times would have had little trouble securing a middle class existence.

Gotta disagree. We exploded the number of people pushing paper from one place to another-- and at the same time we have a huge deficit in numbers of people in other jobs.

To look at just the healthcare sector: we employ tens if not hundreds of thousands of people doing nothing but pushing paper from providers to insurance companies and back. Entirely redundant, adding no value -- and at the same time with an aging population we already have a shortage of folks actually providing healthcare.

We can easily absorb any surplus labor that comes from getting rid of jobs which don't need to be done.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I'd love to watch a robot use a shovel and dig out a tail drum that got buried with clay on a conveyor that runs uphill, or pick up a stack of bricks that collapsed plus clean up the mess with brooms from the ones that broke and caused damage to sensors along a slat conveyor or even drive a loader out in a quarry, especially when it's wet

Even though it's still a ways off, this could handle all of that work quite nicely:



It would be handy for getting rid of pesky striking human brickworkers too.

Think about this: in 1880 no average joe on the street could readily conceive of a machine that you could hop into with no horses attached, turn a key, and drive away at great speed and go for hundreds of miles without stopping.

Yet 50 years later, such machines were everywhere.

It can be hard to wrap your head around innovations that have such scope. But I think that robotics is going to be that kind of innovation.

Yeah, right now robots look dumb, but they are still in their infancy. Comparing robotics to the development of the automobile, we are in about the year 1900, with a few people driving these weird slow contraptions about, that make loud noises and stall frequently, and everyone is laughing and pointing and saying "Get a horse!"

But that WILL change.

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Gotta disagree. We exploded the number of people pushing paper from one place to another-- and at the same time we have a huge deficit in numbers of people in other jobs.

To look at just the healthcare sector: we employ tens if not hundreds of thousands of people doing nothing but pushing paper from providers to insurance companies and back. Entirely redundant, adding no value -- and at the same time with an aging population we already have a shortage of folks actually providing healthcare.

We can easily absorb any surplus labor that comes from getting rid of jobs which don't need to be done.

Paper pushing jobs will be among the first to be eliminated by advanced AI systems. The humans remaining in that sector will be the ones looking out for fraud, i.e. other humans trying to game the AI.

So what kind of jobs will there be for humans in the age of AI? I don't know, but we'd better make some up.

The real problem as I see it is that most humans aren't going to be smart enough to DO jobs in competition with really intelligent machines. There is a hard wired limit to the human IQ. The average IQ in the USA is about 100. And keep in mind that's the AVERAGE, which means that half the people are below 100.

At some point, even really smart people will be in trouble. What happens on the day we create a computer that can write, test and debug the latest version of Microsoft Office all on its own in 36 hours?

Even a lot of genius programmers will be out of the production loop then.

Although I suppose at that point, there will not be much need for Office in the first place.

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

The average IQ in the USA is about 100. And keep in mind that's the AVERAGE, which means that half the people are below 100.

Nitpick: The average IQ is defined as being "100". If people get smarter or dumber on average over time, IQ 100 will change relative to what it was but will still be 100.