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July 16th, 2018, 10:43 PM | #1521 |
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Why the French didn't stay in Atlantic colonies as conquerors after their splendid victories 1779-81?
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Monarchs are capable sometimes of artistic and scientific creativity, but that is not what monarchs are for.
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Remember, they had already lost most of their influence around here in previous struggles with the English. They had certainly calculated that doing what the English tried to do was ultimately a losing proposition. In the end they sold off what they had left here to us in the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, essentially washing their hands of meddling on the North American mainland.
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Bonaparte sold Louisiana to finance his war in Europe. He didn't give a monkey's about the Americas.
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Although General Lafayette is a bit of a legend in America's history (for example three ships in the USN have carried his name) Franco-American relations have always been a bit up and down. America should accept some of the blame. The first falling out started because the new republic used the French Revolution as a flimsy excuse to welch on its debts to the French government. After various maritime incidents in which official French naval ships and French privateers seized American merchant ships as retaliation for the dishonouring of America's borrowings, there followed an undeclared but very real war between America and France (and France's ally, Spain); an event which also marked the birth of the US Navy as a fighting force.
Later, during the American Civil War, France and Britain took advantage of America's internal problems to land armies in Mexico. Same old same old - the Mexicans had borrowed tons of money from Britain and France, spunked the lot and declared that they wouldn't repay one single peso and Britain and France couldn't do anything about it. It turned out that they could. In December 1941, the FDR administration in general and Secretary of State Cordell Hull in particular were intensely displeased because Charles de Gaulle's Free French forces seized control of the tiny French island colonies of Miquelon and St Pierre, just off Newfoundland. Mr Hull had promised the Vichy France government that this was not going to be permitted and had curtly told General de Gaulle to stay away from the USA's sphere of influence; only to find that de Gaulle was dismissive of their authority in what after all was a French affair, and that Churchill had instructed the Royal Navy to protect the Miquelon island from any attempt to land American troops. In January 1943, the Americans tried to revenge themselves by demoting Charles de Gaulle and replacing him with a subservient puppet leader called Henri Giraud. This failed, because de Gaulle had far too much authority inside the Free French movement to be so easily removed. The upshot was that de Gaulle governed France off and on for the next 25 years after WW2 and made non-cooperation with the USA into an art form. Then we had the cheese eating surrender-monkeys thing.
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I always wonder about this colonial thing in general. How valuable the colonies actually were? Did the crowns of UK, France, and esp. Spain actually become poorer when losing colonies? I read the seceding rebels were obliged to repay large loans to kings, but how this was enforced? |
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Valuable things like cotton and tobacco flowed to England from the States. In practice, even after we achieved independence, these goods were still flowing to England, it was just that the king could no longer impose unjust taxes on the former colonies for the privilege of doing business with the British Empire. So yes, colonies were quite valuable. England's global network of colonies kept her in the game as a trading superpower up into the 20th century. That has all gone away now, of course. In the old days, the more conquered heathen peoples you had toiling in mines and fields in faraway places to extract gold, silver, gems, sugar, tobacco, etc. for your nation, the richer you were. IIRC we paid off our war debt to France eventually, you've got to do that if you want to continue being friends and engaging in trade.
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