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January 17th, 2019, 10:21 PM | #8451 | |
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These definitions haven't been repealed. They fit dear old Lord Haw Haw perfectly.
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January 18th, 2019, 12:39 AM | #8452 |
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What's the difference between the SS, the SD (Sicherheitsdienst) and the Gestapo?
Which one had more overall carte blanche power and was most feared? |
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January 18th, 2019, 02:33 AM | #8453 | |
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The SS 'Schuttz Staffel' was originally Hitler's personal bodyguard of a few hundred-that over the years of the Nazi regime grew into a paramilitary force numbering several millions-and evolved into the Allegemeine SS-and the Waffen SS-the latter being purely military units with normal combat functions-but usually better equipped, better manned and with a very high degree of self confidence, elan and Nazi political indoctrination than the regular German army units; whilst the former provided both the internal security, intelligence, occupation and detention camp forces The SD was effectively the intelligence service of the SS and Nazi party-so a department of the SS-and effectively parallel organisation to the Gestapo. the latter was the state secret police of the Nazi administration in Germany and the occupied territories....and eventually came under the control of the RHSA-the Reich security office-so ultimately Goering and Himmler at various stages. Both were rivals and empire builders-as were many of their senior underlings-so it is hard to say which had more power-it would depend on the specific area and location-which was more feared-again would depend on who you were and what you'd been up to-you wouldn't want to come to the attention of any of them! The Wiki entry on the Gestapo is fairly comprehensive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo Outside of Germany the Byzantine nature of the Nazi state apparatus was not well understood-which was brought out in the Nuremburg trials to the frequent embarassment and chagrin of the prosecutors. There is a very large published literature out there post war on the SS which is being continually added to. |
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January 18th, 2019, 03:22 AM | #8454 |
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I've seen a couple of World War II movies where the SD was feared by the SS and the Gestapo.
Can't remember the name of those movies now and I don't know if they were accurate. |
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January 18th, 2019, 10:12 PM | #8455 | |
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Even this would be fifty fifty, they rarely lost a casr, after all, Hitlers paranoia, gave them almost certain victory! |
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January 27th, 2019, 04:44 PM | #8456 |
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Watching a 1957 movie about this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Werra Didn't know about him. Last edited by Reclaimedwg; January 27th, 2019 at 05:17 PM.. |
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January 27th, 2019, 04:47 PM | #8457 |
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They made a film about Him with Hardy Kruger,The One That Got Away (1957)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_On...way_(1957_film)
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January 27th, 2019, 05:18 PM | #8458 |
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Yes. that's the movie I am watching right now.
What is a 12-50? Some kind of ID or document that RAF airmen carry? I didn't know you couldn't start a plane without a Trolley Acc: Code:
https://www.largescaleplanes.com/walkaround/wk.php?wid=129 Code:
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January 27th, 2019, 05:32 PM | #8460 | |
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He impersonated a Dutch pilot and the duty officer at the RAF aerodrome was asking him for his 12-50 and he talked himself out of it saying it was against order to carry it since he was on a bombing run the previous night.
He almost got away with a Hurricane MK II - just a couple of more minutes and he would had been airborne. According to WIKI, that's a real Hurricane IIc and still in existence: Quote:
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