Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[frankoboff]

Originally Posted by DB83

Then I suggest you are even more ignorant than you make out to be.

'Nation' would elude to just Britain. Where would you place all the Commonwealth in that ?. And they are represented each and every year.

More so, some will argue somewhat controversially but I think fit and proper, the German President was also invited and took part at the last event.

I have not been to The Cenotaph but I have been twice to The Menin Gate at Ypres on 11/11. And that is also a multi-Nation remembrance.

The Commonweath is very much part of our national identity and it's residual of our colonial empire which kind of speaks for itself really. Many attrocities committed and ignored.

I am not criticising the event btw, just the way the UK handles it.

[seany65]

On the Telegraph's web page, they are saying the Brexit party are expected to win most UK seats as official exit polls are released across europe.

Hmmm. I'm not sure about that. They will probably get a decent vote and some seats, but I expect the libdems to cash in on disillusionment with labour and tory parties by remainers.

I think it's possible that they are only saying the Brexit party is expected to do really well, so that if they don't do as well as officially expected, it can be portrayed as a failure of the Brexit party and so the country is changing it's mind on brexit.

[DB83]

Early times

Only one region already declared. North East. 2 seats to Brexit and 1 to the LibDems.

Labour has taken a pummelling and Cons down as well in share of the vote.

[scoundrel]

Counting has now started on the results of Thursday's EU MEP election vote. The remarkable Emily Thornberry has commented:

"We are going to get a kicking," says Labour's Emily Thornberry.

"The point is we went into an election where the most important issue was our view on leaving the EU.

"And we were not clear on the one thing people wanted to hear.

"We should have said that any Brexit deal should be put to a confirmatory referendum.

"And that Labour would have campaigned to remain."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48417378

I am intrigued by this analysis. If Ms Thornberry is right, then there will have been a mass desertion of Labour voters across the North of England and the West Midlands in favour of Remain parties, mainly the Lib-Dems. After all, they wanted to hear that Labour was demanding a second referendum and that Labour would campaign in the second referendum to Remain in the EU.

Its so obvious that this is why traditional Labour voters in the North and Midlands are not minded to vote Labour this time. I am amazed that this never occurred to me before.

[jokerman]

Now that the results are coming in. It's going to be an interesting night. all across the E.U. Do not be surprised if all of Europe's Pro E.U/remain parties take a beating.
The days of the E.U are numbered.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by jokerman

Now that the results are coming in. It's going to be an interesting night. all across the E.U. Do not be surprised if all of Europe's Pro E.U/remain parties take a beating.
The days of the E.U are numbered.

Strange to say, I would be sad if this turns out to be true.

I don't think a world without the EU is preferable to a world with the EU - quite the opposite. But I agree that if the EU refuses to accept that it must reform itself and cease and desist from this Federalist claptrap for which it has no popular consent, then it may indeed fall by the wayside. It was the adamant refusal of the EU to reform itself which told me I had to vote to Leave, and I bet I'm not the only one. It continues on this Federalist path, refusing to accept that it is the wrong path. Unless that changes, I fear that Jokerman is correct about where this will end. Its nothing to be happy about, but it wont be Britain's fault if it happens.

[frankoboff]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Strange to say, I would be sad if this turns out to be true.

I don't think a world without the EU is preferable to a world with the EU - quite the opposite. But I agree that if the EU refuses to accept that it must reform itself and cease and desist from this Federalist claptrap for which it has no popular consent, then it may indeed fall by the wayside. It was the adamant refusal of the EU to reform itself which told me I had to vote to Leave, and I bet I'm not the only one. It continues on this Federalist path, refusing to accept that it is the wrong path. Unless that changes, I fear that Jokerman is correct about where this will end. Its nothing to be happy about, but it wont be Britain's fault if it happens.

Re: Federalism- Actually the UK was part of a block with France and Germany pushing against federalism. Reform is less likely now we are planning to leave as the balance of power is altered and we no longer have a seat at the table.

Performance of anti-EU groups across Europe is way lower than expected in a higher than average turn-out. There was a rhetorical shift amongst Europe's right post-Brexit. Leaving the EU isn't something they've been actively promoting in the same way as before.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by frankoboff

Re: Federalism- Actually the UK was part of a block with France and Germany pushing against federalism. Reform is less likely now we are planning to leave as the balance of power is altered and we no longer have a seat at the table.

Performance of anti-EU groups across Europe is way lower than expected in a higher than average turn-out. There was a rhetorical shift amongst Europe's right post-Brexit. Leaving the EU isn't something they've been actively promoting in the same way as before.

That must be why Britain was the only member nation which objected to the appointment of Jean Claude Juncker. It may also be why Mr Cameron won all those game changing concessions before the June 2016 referendum, the ones which never even got talked about during the referendum debates.

[frankoboff]

Originally Posted by seany65

On the Telegraph's web page, they are saying the Brexit party are expected to win most UK seats as official exit polls are released across europe.

Hmmm. I'm not sure about that. They will probably get a decent vote and some seats, but I expect the libdems to cash in on disillusionment with labour and tory parties by remainers.

I think it's possible that they are only saying the Brexit party is expected to do really well, so that if they don't do as well as officially expected, it can be portrayed as a failure of the Brexit party and so the country is changing it's mind on brexit.

The problem for the Brexit Party is what do they do next. In some ways it would be benefical to do less well in these elections. They aren't really a true political party but actually a protest group registered as business- they generate income from donations, events and Nigel Farage's media appearences. It would suit Farage better if he could remain the protest vote. Setting up a true political party to run for seats against the Tories was UKIP's undoing- people were not convinced by their policies. If their are mass defections from legitimate right wing politicans then TBP might get somewhere however this seems unlikely as the Tories have been avoiding a split since 1992.

[frankoboff]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

That must be why Britain was the only member nation which objected to the appointment of Jean Claude Juncker. It may also be why Mr Cameron won all those game changing concessions before the June 2016 referendum, the ones which never even got talked about during the referendum debates.

He pushed too hard and tried to lobby using the threat of a referendum as a bargaining chip. You do not fuck with Jean Claude.