Apple v Microsoft

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by palo5

unnecessarily expensive

I said to trailmaster once about the cost, the price difference is like paying for a Mercedes Benz and a Lada Niva

You know what I really do not miss on a Mac that needs to be done on a PC

1, Disk De-Fragrament
2, Frequent Virus Scans
3, Frequent Updates
4, A Patch For The Previous Update
5, Blue Screen Of Death
6, To Many Different Manufactures MS Have To Work With To Try Please All
7, Starting In Safe Mode

Those are just some I do not miss at all

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by palo5

Of course, money is a constraint for many, if not most. It is for me too. I try to get a new machine every 3-4 years. Power-users probably want one every 2 years. In this respect, PC-users definitely have the edge over Apple-friends, because Apple is so unnecessarily expensive

I'm a 'power user', and my apple is 4 years and still going strong, a PC that was cheap but broke after 2 years would be a false economy........

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I said to trailmaster once about the cost, the price difference is like paying for a Mercedes Benz and a Lada Niva

Except that you're paying for a turkey, not a Daimler. Clearly you have no money-sense

You know what I really do not miss on a Mac that needs to be done on a PC

1, Disk De-Fragrament
2, Frequent Virus Scans
3, Frequent Updates
4, A Patch For The Previous Update
5, Blue Screen Of Death
6, To Many Different Manufactures MS Have To Work With To Try Please All
7, Starting In Safe Mode

PCs have freeware programs that handle all that. Or they're built into the ROM BIOS and you don't know it

Just admit it -- you're addicted to brand like a typical capitalist consumer. Isn't it time your brain clocked in?

[palo5]

Originally Posted by rosestone

I'm a 'power user', and my apple is 4 years and still going strong, a PC that was cheap but broke after 2 years would be a false economy........

But PCs don't "break" after a couple of years. They'll last as long as a car if you take care of them. The question is whether it still does what you wanted it to do. Apple-users have the same question, and they spend more for nothing, except to make Apple richer

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by palo5

PCs have freeware programs that handle all that. Or they're built into the ROM BIOS and you don't know it

Did you read all that ??? None of that is needed on a Mac, except for a virus scan I run maybe once every 3 months and always comes up trouble free.

Originally Posted by palo5

Just admit it -- you're addicted to brand like a typical capitalist consumer. Isn't it time your brain clocked in?

I will admit it , I've no problem admitting it at all Another way of pitting it is that I am also impressed by quality and will get addicted to most things that provide a very good experience

[Jack Rabbit]

Wow; six pages full of myths, lies and prejudice...
As always, everyone has their opinions, but rarely anybody has worked extensively with both Apple computers and MS-DOS/Windows machines... or else they wouldn't have written the things they have, but would have switched to Apple by now.

I've worked with Commodore-64 (which is not a PC), 286 PC, 386 PC, 486 PC, Pentium PC's and newer which came with BASIC, DR-DOS, MS-DOS, Windows 3.1 series, Win95, '98, NT, XP Pro and Windows 10 and the best of those were DR-DOS and XP Pro.
Since I'm a volunteer at one of the 4 Apple Musea in the world, I've now worked on Apple II, IIe, IIc, III, Lisa, Macintosh, Performa, Quadra, iMac, iBook, PowerBook, G3, G4, G5 and Intel Macs with Apple-DOS, ProDos, Lisa, OS3, OS 4, OS 5, OS 6, OS 7, OS 8, OS 9 and OS.X.10 and for the unbiased(!) user (that I hope I am) I prefer the Apple OS over Microsoft anyday (except maybe the Office-products Microsoft made for Apple).
It's hard to compare the two, because MS is mainly a software developer and Apple is/was primarily a hardware maker which makes their own software in a way so their hardware can best utilize it... different hardware, then customized software for that machine. That's why Apple PC's are stable, fast systems and almost troublefree from OS9 onwards. A lot of Windows software seems to be okay these days, but in a way they are still a cheap knock-off of the original Apple/Mac software. :-)

This seems to have become a topic to bash each others choice of hardware (maybe by choice) instead of a topic of insights and it looks like just another row of so called footballfan types to me, so I probably won't react to reactions to this mail,

'cause you can't convert the ignorants and why should you want to... everybody makes their own choice and has to live with that :-)

Carry on!

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I said to trailmaster once about the cost, the price difference is like paying for a Mercedes Benz and a Lada Niva

You know what I really do not miss on a Mac that needs to be done on a PC

1, Disk De-Fragrament
2, Frequent Virus Scans
3, Frequent Updates
4, A Patch For The Previous Update
5, Blue Screen Of Death
6, To Many Different Manufactures MS Have To Work With To Try Please All
7, Starting In Safe Mode

Those are just some I do not miss at all

When did you buy your PC? Before you were able to walk by yourself?
Come on Estreeter... We are in 2 0 1 7!

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

People who get a lot of troubles with windows... often are women or elderly people..... Apple products work great, but are far too expensive

For poor people?

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by Jack Rabbit

Wow; six pages full of myths, lies and prejudice...
As always, everyone has their opinions, but rarely anybody has worked extensively with both Apple computers and MS-DOS/Windows machines... or else they wouldn't have written the things they have, but would have switched to Apple by now.

I've worked with Commodore-64 (which is not a PC), 286 PC, 386 PC, 486 PC, Pentium PC's and newer which came with BASIC, DR-DOS, MS-DOS, Windows 3.1 series, Win95, '98, NT, XP Pro and Windows 10 and the best of those were DR-DOS and XP Pro.
Since I'm a volunteer at one of the 4 Apple Musea in the world, I've now worked on Apple II, IIe, IIc, III, Lisa, Macintosh, Performa, Quadra, iMac, iBook, PowerBook, G3, G4, G5 and Intel Macs with Apple-DOS, ProDos, Lisa, OS3, OS 4, OS 5, OS 6, OS 7, OS 8, OS 9 and OS.X.10 and for the unbiased(!) user (that I hope I am) I prefer the Apple OS over Microsoft anyday (except maybe the Office-products Microsoft made for Apple).
It's hard to compare the two, because MS is mainly a software developer and Apple is/was primarily a hardware maker which makes their own software in a way so their hardware can best utilize it... different hardware, then customized software for that machine. That's why Apple PC's are stable, fast systems and almost troublefree from OS9 onwards. A lot of Windows software seems to be okay these days, but in a way they are still a cheap knock-off of the original Apple/Mac software. :-)

This seems to have become a topic to bash each others choice of hardware (maybe by choice) instead of a topic of insights and it looks like just another row of so called footballfan types to me, so I probably won't react to reactions to this mail,

'cause you can't convert the ignorants and why should you want to... everybody makes their own choice and has to live with that :-)

Carry on!

According to Wikileaks, Apple is suspected of (intentional?) security gaps in its hardware in order to ensure constant access from the outside.

https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#Dark Matter

http://ho.ax/De_Mysteriis_Dom_Jobsiv..._Hat_Paper.pdf

Supposedly, Apple has fixed the 'bug', which basically confirms Wikileak's assertion. However, older devices before 2013 are still affected. Do not get me wrong, Microsoft is not the good boy. But with Windows based systems, security gaps are more of a software problem. In my personal opinion, the real reason for the instability of Microsoft operating systems. Everything is scripted according to current soft- and hardware (backdoor on demand) requirements.

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

I have the impression Apple wanted to be particularly smart in this case, but their 'approach' and overall company policy leave a rather pungent aftertaste.

Btw, I know that every internet security software is basically nothing but snake oil, since the problem always comes first and then the solution. I'm stupid but not that stupid.

[LadyLuck]

I walked into the Apple store one day and saw the mile long line and groaned. A concierge saw me and asked if he could help me. After he realized that I was actually there to spend money he hustled me to the front of the line. Those poor souls were waiting in line to have their stuff fixed.

No, thank you.