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November 6th, 2018, 04:12 AM | #11 |
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The LCS looks like a cross between a destroyer and a PT boat.
No one really knows how a modern naval battle between advanced peer-to-peer states would play out, because one has never been fought. A blizzard of many long range smart anti-ship missiles might be just the ticket for sending even the most advanced carrier group to a watery grave. In which case, ideas about naval warfare and the projection of power on the high seas will be changed forever. Could you see the US Navy going hat in hand to Congress and saying, "ummm, we need 300 billion dollars to replace all that stuff we just lost in that little fracas with China"? That would be a tough sell, given that their replacement toys would likely just be sunk as well. In that case, seagoing Technicals, smaller cheap fast ships loaded with missiles might become the king of the seas, along with subs. Because building more carriers would be tatamount to White Star Lines building another Titanic and sailing it to the North Pole to "teach those icebergs a lesson."
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Was this class of warship the result of the Millennium challenge 2002 fiasco? General Van Riper (love that Dr. Strangelove type name) hosed the standard US military doctrine - partly with a fleet of small hard to detect boats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
If it was, they couldn't even get that right - not a hoard of small boats but 5 not so small boats - ? |
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That was the exercise where a fictional Iran whupped the US Navy, right? And then they reran it with new parameters so the US Navy could "win"
Large numbers of anti-ship missiles fired from shore or small boats can pose a significant threat, even if the enemy belligerent has no capital ships. I think the Chinese C-802 antiship missile costs about 400k to build. So you could field 100 of them for 40 million bucks, and 500 of them for 200 million. So if China manipulated the US Navy close enough (say, by threatening to invade Taiwan and putting boats in the water), and then launched a big wave of decoys to deplete the Navy's magazines, and then followed up with a huge wave of hundreds of antiship missiles, you could send billions of dollars worth of carrier battle group to the bottom, and inflict a 50-100x factor of damage costwise, to say nothing of the thousands of lives that would be lost.
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You're able to do that, as is most of the rest of Europe, because you have good ole Uncle Sam to bail your asses out should things go south. Only problem is, as you've alluded to, Uncle Sam is broke and isn't going to keep defending your asses forever. Then what are you going to do? |
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Just to wrap this one up.
It seems the LCS’s days are numbered already https://news.usni.org/2022/03/29/all...1tAxIFgeCPM40Q |
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Took the Feds a decade and billions of dollars to figure that one out. Maybe stick "Reclaimedwg" on the Congressional Budget Office payroll and save the nation a few billion? |
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March 31st, 2022, 08:02 PM | #17 |
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With the failed Zumwalt class destroyer as well, it seems as if USN procurement is as good as ours over here!
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