Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

Well actually countries like Switzerland are under EU scrutiny. Switzerland doesn't have a trade deal on financial services and can't sell them into the EU. They had to create subsidiary companies inside the EU.

Many of those are now moving from London to Paris or Frankfurt.

Countries inside the EU are of course subject to EU rules, and as I already pointed out twice the EU is in fact cracking down on them. Apple has to pay billions in back taxes to Ireland because of an EU investigation.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

The thing I find hard to understand is your suggestion that Britain is to be shut out. It is reasonable that Britain has to trade in the EU area on EU terms and that the same will apply to EU entities trading in the UK. That is intrinsic to any concept of sovereignty. But this is something different, your idea that we are to be punished for things which others are not to be punished for, presumably because someone doesn't like us. That strikes me as discriminatory and essentially a victimising strategy. It also strikes me as rather pathetic and sad.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

The thing I find hard to understand is your suggestion that Britain is to be shut out. It is reasonable that Britain has to trade in the EU area on EU terms and that the same will apply to EU entities trading in the UK. That is intrinsic to any concept of sovereignty. But this is something different, your idea that we are to be punished for things which others are not to be punished for, presumably because someone doesn't like us. That strikes me as discriminatory and essentially a victimising strategy. It also strikes me as rather pathetic and sad.

Switzerland has now (I think since 2016) a contract with the EU, that assets of a EU citizens must be announced by Banks on both sides of the borders. That's fixed in a law of the banking system. So if a Swiss citizen is having assets in Europe, they (European Banks) send am actual notice to the Swiss tax authorities. And reverse, if a European citizen is having assets in Switzerland. The same is valid for Lichtenstein.
That's also valid inside anywhere in the EU by the European contracts a long time ago.

What's not is valid for the British oversee properties. They only are having a banking account number and a password.
Therefore it was up to now impossible for the Greek fax authorities, to check the assets of the Greek citizens, except they find something in their documents at a examination/investigation.
So now - it was abortive, that some Greeks moved to Switzerland as citizens, they should have moved to London.

Economies are based on rules. So the rules in a union have to be more or less synchronized inside the union else it ends in a mess.
If for example Ireland finds out, that 0,001 % of trade tax would be enough for Ireland from Apple and others are paying usually more, its a no go for the EU (and at least a slap into the face of the Irish tax payers; I would feel punked as an Irish).
That's not a topic of sovereignty, that's more or less a topic under piracy.

[chupachups]

why is it that when brexiteers ask europeans what are the advantages of being in the EU, it descends into finger pointing about tax evasion/tax avoidance or "lessons" on why/how we should be punished for leaving ?

can we just have a straight answer ?

and don't try the usual BS, e.g.
a) freedom to travel to 28 countries - I have a british passport that will allow me to visit the shenanigans (sic) area, and the rest of the world, thanks
b) economy - tied to the slowest growing trade bloc in the world, no thanks, I would rather trade with the rest of the world, especially the fastest growing economies
c) cheap food - I'll buy cheaper without having to subsidise french farms, thanks
d) cooperation on terrorism and security - as if you won't share intelligence...that is if, ISIS doesn't infiltrate the EU's counter terrorism units, what with the 1M merkel immigrants...

on that last note, it makes me laugh that if I buy an airline ticket to fly within the EU, I am photographed and my passport checked multiple times, but merkel lets in 1M people with no papers and no vetting...how does that make any sense ? unless the checks are only to combat tax evasion LOL

BTW, I did some simple maths on how detrimental the EU is on UK worker's pay. If inflation is running at 3% pa, it takes 14 years of no payrises to erode your salary by 33%...

that is one reason why people are struggling financially in the UK since 2004, people have lost a third of their purchasing power

nice one b-liar with your "maximum of 13,000 polish immigrants per year" calculations, and they having no impact on wages

[chupachups]

Originally Posted by ********

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zzzz...still no coherent answer to the original fundamental question


moki seems to live in some strange twilight world where spinning vague statistics to support a strawman argument is considered strong evidence...he thinks we are idiots when he quotes a strong percentage GDP rate of growth in the EU...but ignores that a strong percentage based on a shyte baseline is still a pretty p*ss poor performance

by following remoaning dogma and its attempt at spinning something good out of the EU, moki fails to understand other people's posts...instead of understanding 1M unvetted migrants poses a security risk to the whole of continental europe he clutches at his schengen area visa as a prize for unrestricted freedom of movement, the very foundation for that security risk LOLOLOL

I am going to go back to ignoring moki's posts, they are a complete waste of time

[chupachups]

an interesting discussion on brexit by irish politicians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc2giAkwlrs

two important points for them
a) the issues that led to brexit affect the irish republic too, and they may also see renewed calls in the near future for eire to exit the EU
b) brexit will deal a huge hit to the economy of the irish republic due to its dependence on the UK as a destination for its goods - they want to retain close ties with the UK after brexit, for this reason


something they also mentioned, but which I find ridiculous...weekly shopping for brits has gone up 20% since the referendum ???? Not for me it hasn't !


Anyone in the UK with a weekly shopping bill want to comment on that ?

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by chupachups

something they also mentioned, but which I find ridiculous...weekly shopping for brits has gone up 20% since the referendum ???? Not for me it hasn't !

Anyone in the UK with a weekly shopping bill want to comment on that ?

Utter tripe, my shopping bill is about the same as it has been for the last few years, a few things go up, a few things come down. They must be desperate

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by chupachups

something they also mentioned, but which I find ridiculous...weekly shopping for brits has gone up 20% since the referendum ???? Not for me it hasn't

Nor me and I'm a moaning-faced Scottish pensioner

[haroldeye]

Moko said, Unlikely. The subsidy cost will stay the same unless you want British farming to collapse. And the promise of cheaper food is mostly just fantasy. Do you really think milk from New Zealand is going to be fresh and cheap after it's been ship from the other side of the planet?


Before we joined the EU we were self sufficient in all milk products. After years of meddling by the Commission we now have to import something like 20% of our milk (by EU law) whilst British Milk producers have gone out of business.

I have a good friend who is in the business and he voted in because he wanted stability. He thinks that in the long term we will be better off out, and believes that the only people to blame for the out vote were the Commissioners.

[chupachups]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

I have a good friend who is in the business and he voted in because he wanted stability

pretty much why the UK joined the EEC

Originally Posted by haroldeye

He thinks that in the long term we will be better off out, and believes that the only people to blame for the out vote were the Commissioners.

pretty much why the UK voted to leave the EU


I don't think any sane person argues that the common market is a bad idea...what we in the UK think is a bad idea is the political and social interference from brussels

[Roubignol]