Do you think Humans will colonise The Moon and Mars someday?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by slimOl55

AI are not robots. AI would thought-program robots to complete tasks.

Sure. AI could be inside robots to move and complete tasks.
But that's good points. Will AI create robots without AI to make dangerous tasks?
Will AI be afraid to "die"?

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

The worst thing that happened to America and Oceania... were white European explorers.

We have to let Mars and the Moon in peace.

Humanity has to disappear. We have to let the mices exploring Universe.

You're assuming that the people already here would not have covered the land in poop in time, given the chance to grow and discover the "Industrial Revolution" without any European meddling.

Humans everywhere are humans, and do what they do.

If we are to go "planet pooping", doing it to lifeless rocks like the Moon and Mars is not such a bad thing. It's the destruction of ecosystems and natural beautiful life that is the sin.

I do fear for any Edenic alien worlds with life we may discover, humans being what they are.

[slimOl55]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Sure. AI could be inside robots to move and complete tasks.
But that's good points. Will AI create robots without AI to make dangerous tasks?
Will AI be afraid to "die"?

'More human than human' - is our motto: remember Roy Batty?

We already have built in obsolescence in every day objects, and some might argue that is progress. AI might not be afraid or even programmed to die.
Our future is about working hand in hand with technology and seeking truth for the questions we continue to pose. AI mreged with robots is one dangerous path. Seperated is more friendly to us.
AI might just be the our inter-face, with robots in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPqpuC8JPM

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

You're assuming that the people already here would not have covered the land in poop in time, given the chance to grow and discover the "Industrial Revolution" without any European meddling.

Weren't the native "animistic" religions not more respectful of their ecosystem?
White European immigrants get a Christian religion that never respected nature.
Nature always was bad in Christian religion. Animals often representated demons.
During the Romans, Europe was covered of forests. Since the Middle Age, our ancesters cut off almost all the forests. According to the priests, there were demons in the woods.
For sure it seems that the industrial revolution helped us to live older and in better health. But with almost no counter-reaction, it seems that life could disappear because of industrial revolution.

Let's see what will happen in the future.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Humans everywhere are humans, and do what they do.

If we are to go "planet pooping", doing it to lifeless rocks like the Moon and Mars is not such a bad thing. It's the destruction of ecosystems and natural beautiful life that is the sin.

That's a point of view I didn't think and that seems to me correct or at least very interesting.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I do fear for any Edenic alien worlds with life we may discover, humans being what they are.

That what disturbs me the most. It seems to me that at least 80% of the humanity could be Edenic. Am I wrong?
When I speak with people... I rarely hear people telling: "I want to fuck everybody and destroy everything." Almost everybody seems to be preoccupied. So do they act a nice role or not?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by slimOl55

'More human than human' - is our motto: remember Roy Batty?

We already have built in obsolescence in every day objects, and some might argue that is progress. AI might not be afraid or even programmed to die.
Our future is about working hand in hand with technology and seeking truth for the questions we continue to pose. AI mreged with robots is one dangerous path. Seperated is more friendly to us.
AI might just be the our inter-face, with robots in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPqpuC8JPM

Very good point. Always letting the AI disconnected to the robots. Always.

But how can we know that AI will not try one day to take the control of the robots thanks algorithms far too complicated to human brain to understand a very long term destructive procedure against us?

Maybe in developping an AI that will protect us against other AI?

[slimOl55]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Very good point. Always letting the AI disconnected to the robots. Always.

But how can we know that AI will not try one day to take the control of the robots thanks algorithms far too complicated to human brain to understand a very long term destructive procedure against us?

Maybe in developping an AI that will protect us against other AI?

Good point! At what stage do we become irrelevant. Thats why we would work together, and not see the unvierse as an unknown threat to us.
The unknown is not a good reason to develop weapons with unintended consequences.
Study war no more. All that war has ever given us is more war - so its important to see anew.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Weren't the native "animistic" religions not more respectful of their ecosystem?
White European immigrants get a Christian religion that never respected nature.
Nature always was bad in Christian religion. Animals often representated demons.
During the Romans, Europe was covered of forests. Since the Middle Age, our ancesters cut off almost all the forests. According to the priests, there were demons in the woods.
For sure it seems that the industrial revolution helped us to live older and in better health. But with almost no counter-reaction, it seems that life could disappear because of industrial revolution.

Let's see what will happen in the future.

Civilizations all over have destroyed their forests for fuel and building materials. Religion has really not so much to do with it as burgeoning populations who are lucky enough to discover rich food sources.

Many forests in the middle east died because of a grass - namely, wheat. Humans grow the wheat, eat it, make a lot more humans, and cut down all the trees for fires and houses. The wheat wins its battle with the trees, because there is now wheat everywhere.

What is the role of the human in this, the evil master of nature or the blind bird shitting out the seed that falls on the ground and grows?

That wheat is cleverer than you think.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Civilizations all over have destroyed their forests for fuel and building materials. Religion has really not so much to do with it as burgeoning populations who are lucky enough to discover rich food sources.

Many forests in the middle east died because of a grass - namely, wheat. Humans grow the wheat, eat it, make a lot more humans, and cut down all the trees for fires and houses. The wheat wins its battle with the trees, because there is now wheat everywhere.

What is the role of the human in this, the evil master of nature or the blind bird shitting out the seed that falls on the ground and grows?

That wheat is cleverer than you think.

Yep. But there were religions more respectful of nature.

I also thought about a similar problem as your "wheat" explanation.

The fact that our ancesters get the possibility to stay in places during winter thanks to energy instead to move in warmer areas depending the season.


I remember that in Europe, our ancesters also destroyed forests to warm their houses during the winter.

Nomads wasted less energy.

What if we still would have to walk from our cold winter areas instead to stay and burn billions of liters of oils or tons of coals. We would have saved a lot of fossil "fuel".

How much fossil energy is burned each year in frozen Northern cities (Chicago, New York, Paris, Berlin) during winter?

We don't have to stay in our latitude during winter.
We have to walk more to the South since the month of September and walk back to the North since the month of March.

[CARLTON BROWN]

Might I just suggest that once the global population passes the 10 billion mark, people may well start to see more freedom in being part of a lower (people) density frontier world with a lot of new opportunities.

It's really quite hard to make any predictions about the longer term developments that will come along like AI that becomes self-aware, nanotechnology and bio-modification/genetic engineering of our species that may eventually lead to different human races within the Solar System. There is every chance of this as people are adapted to different gravity conditions and altered environments.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by MaxJoker

Val Kilmer should have gotten an Oscar for Tombstone.

Matt Damon went to Mars if that helps