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August 5th, 2012, 05:30 PM | #1941 |
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I heard that one to, told to me by a family friend, who was Hungarian and left after the 56 revolt. He allways beleved the Russians beleved there were Nazis on the ship posing as Jewish refugess, they made sure and wanted no witneses.
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The site on which this opinion was found had the word "Zionism" in the title... Sounds like complete Bollocks to me. |
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Palo doesn't seem to be around at the moment. I suspect it might be a matter of Patton's seeming enthusiam for a transfer of hostilities from the defeated Germany in 1945 to the erstwhile brother-in-arms, Russia. Given the disparity of land forces, this would have been...er...unwise, Atom Bomb or no atom bomb.
But, whatever his ideological and political weaknesses, and it was politics which did him in soon after the war ended, Patton was a first class strategist. He understood the basic principles.
Another blockhead was General Ironside, commander of UK Home Army until July 1940, whose big idea was to build concrete pillboxes all over Southern England and spread his forces in penny-packets to defend every inch of English soil. When he was sacked (Churchill understood the Army and sacked Ironside personally, knowing Sir Charles Dill would never have the heart or the strength of character to do the right thing), his successor, General Brooke sought him out and asked for a personal handover. Brooke expected to briefed on strategic plans and invasion preparations, what reserves existed, their state of equipment and where they were. Ironside gave Brooke the keys to his official staff car and left without another word. There were no plans. There was no official report on the state of our reserves. There was nothing. Brooke had to take care of all of that himself, from scratch. Now Ironside did have some good qualities but "strategically stupid" fits him like a glove.
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August 5th, 2012, 06:53 PM | #1944 |
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He was a good tactical, short-term actor, Comrade - I think of him as a sort of "mini-Rommel", capable of skillful surprises with comparatively modest-sized formations
But he was no strategist, and nowhere near in Ike's class. Not even close He was an ego-man, like MacArthur and Lemay, obsessed with his power And he betrayed his complete strategic ignorance by saying the US should attack the USSR in 1945. It really doesn't get dumber Is that enough? |
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August 5th, 2012, 07:22 PM | #1945 | |
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Patton hated the Russians, and thats not fairytales. British generals weren't terribly enamoured of the Russians either, but most British and Americans realised that Russia was impossible to defeat on land in 1945 and it would be a great folly to try. Patton allowed his detestation to cloud his judgement. He was in closer contact with Russian forces than most on the allied side, because his men were deployed in Czech and Austrian territory. On the British side, our 8th Army, based at Klagenfurt, was involved in contact with Russian forces in Corinthia; this must have been a troubling experience, as in line with Yalta we were turning over thousands of prisoners to the Russians and to Tito's partisans, and we knew that their fate was not going to be a happy one. There are always reasons for things, and there was a reason for Patton's hostility to Russian forces. We British felt exactly the same way. To know the Russians was not necessarily to love them, not in 1945. But although there may be reasons, bad judgement is still bad judgement. It would have been much smarter to remove Patton to the Pacific asap and keep him well away from the murky politics of Europe in the summer of 1945. He was the wrong man in the wrong place there and at that time.
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August 5th, 2012, 07:29 PM | #1946 |
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Before Palo points it out,I think You mean it was hard to love the Soviets in 1945.After all Stalin wasn't actually Russian ..
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Just as an aside, I read that one of the reasons Beria was dumped in 1953 was that all the Russians in the government were sick and tired of Georgians in control.
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I was watching a World War II newsreel, made in anticipation of the invasion of Europe. This was an American newsreel, but it had German footage of their Atlantic Wall. How did folks in the West get German film in WW II? |
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August 6th, 2012, 04:42 AM | #1950 |
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Just a guess but, from German newsreels? Both sides were putting out propaganda aimed at the other side and there was communication and exchange of material thru various neutrals. (I don't mean to imply there was deliberate trading between combatants. But there was various smuggling and intelligence operations.)
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