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January 3rd, 2016, 04:43 PM | #2081 | |
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There's no realistic possibility that the story will ever be explained unequivocally now.
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January 3rd, 2016, 06:23 PM | #2082 | |
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Do we need solid evidence to simply be suspicious? The police in the UK won't hesitate to arrest someone simply on suspicion of committing a crime. In all the historical events I've mentioned, there are big, or should I say huge credibility gaps in parts of the stories. And there are apparently many documents relating to the JFK assassination that remain classified, which are not measured by numbers of pages, but by tons in weight. Deceit is part of the way governments run things. They need to maintain the status quo and the only rule is not to get caught out. |
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The closest we've ever come to "just a few people" in the real world that I can think of is Watergate. And even THEN someone talked and there were copious records!
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Re: JFK assassination
The "magic bullet" has been explained and the shot duplicated. The only way it could have been a "magic bullet" is if the President and the Governor had been sitting 1) directly in line; 2) at the same height; and 3) both were facing forward. None of those three are true, the Governor's seat was lower and to one side of the President's and the Governor's torso was twisted to the side as he was looking at the crowd he was waving at. Take those facts into account and you find that all the entry and exit wounds line up perfectly and the resulting trajectory points straight back at the Book Depository window Oswald was shooting from.
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January 3rd, 2016, 11:49 PM | #2086 | |
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LHO has a strange story. Let's start with the obvious: during a time of profound hostility between the US and the Soviet Union, he essentially defects to Russia. You certainly could start with the suspicion "LHO was a Russian agent, sent to kill the President". That's a plausible theory. Now: is there any evidence for it? Turns out not. Everything we know from Soviet files and the KGB people who handled LHO is that they thought he was a nut, and useless. Similarly: the Mob. One theory goes "the mob was furious about Bobby Kennedy's organized crime prosecutions" -- and so they killed the President? Evidence? None And so on with the Cubans, the CIA and so on. You can come up with all kinds of angles "someone who might have wanted to kill the President" -- but you can't find any evidence at all that any of them did. There are lots of loose threads, but they don't add up to anything coherent. Assassinations and attempted assassinations are, unfortunately, not at all rare in American political life. With the exception of John Wilkes Booth, all of them have been the work of mentally addled loners, usually under some sense that they have a mission. LHO is basically John Hinckeley/Squeaky Fromme/Charles Guiteau/Jared Loughner, a character we see over and over again, tragically. |
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Actually, the latest idea for the magic bullet theory is that one of the diplomatic protection team carrying a newly issued M16 accidentally discharged the weapon when the shooting started, killing JFK and that's what was really covered up. It certainly looks feasible, but of course, like all these supposed expert claims, it is just another theory. Personally, I have many doubts about what happened in Dallas, who Oswald really was, why the real KGB files on his stay in Russia mysteriously vanished, his arrest, the connection to Jack Ruby, etc, etc. People claiming any of this has been fully explained, just want to see things wrapped up in a tidy manner. They have often done little or no research, but want blame removed from the possible orchestrators like Hoover, who was a seriously strange man with some weird ideas about life, an absolute hatred of the Kennedys and the ability to make things happen. The chances are we will never know what really happened. Yes, it might be Oswald, but on the other hand, he may well have been set up as a patsy. |
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Here you apply a skepticism to the debunking of conspiracy theories that you don't apply to the conspiracy theories themselves.
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Have you never thought how easy it would be for those who get the info (the field agents etc.) to honestly pass it on to those higher up, and be told "Leave it with us and we'll sort it out", and for those who are meant to pass it on either don't or they change it in some way? Yes you are correct in saying that those at the top rely on those lower for giving them the correct info. But isn't it possible for them to be given the correct info, in good faith by those lower, and yet those higher could decide to not act, or to deliberately decide to do the wrong thing, or actually do the right thing but delay doing it long enough for the damage warned about to be done? It really would not take thousands of americans in a huge conspiracy, to attack the WTC. It could just take the top brass to decide to not act, (or to act too slowly), on info they were given about an attack that was planned by al qaeda. Incidentally, I don't remember seeing any evidence that al qaeda actually did it. I remember on this forum (this thread?) being told Bin laden admitted the attack, but is that the overwhelming proof that I seem to remember being promised to the world by the POTUS?
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Many of the supposed major conspiracies from the Maine being blown up in 1898 to the death of Diana may or may not have been engineered and may have just had the details altered for political reasons. Stuff goes on all the time, from Operation Northwoods to the more recent attempts to destabilising parts of the Middle East. Most of the time, we never hear anything about some of the near misses that take place. In a world filled with corruption, stupidity and individuals who have their own take on honour or loyalty, bad things can and will happen. My only interest is simply the truth and when you start accepting everything you're told by the powers that be without question, democracy is soon on very wobbly ground. |
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