Problem Reports, Questions & General Announcements

[effCup]

Mod Edit:
- the following 5 posts have been moved here from an MIR in the main ID section

Originally Posted by PackOfLies

I know she's an amateur

If you really do know that, then you'd not be starting a query for her here, would you?

Originally Posted by exfarmer

D) Don't ask for non-professional models (random amateurs)

[PackOfLies]

Is she a "random" amateur?

D) Don't ask for non-professional models (random amateurs)
We do realize in this internet age it may be difficult to distinguish a seemingly candid photo of some random girl from a known model in a similar pose. Use your best judgement but be aware the Moderators do reserve the right to remove any request or other post at their discretion without notice.

I used my best judgement and felt comfortable asking a question. My thought coming in was that if one did not recognize the young lady, they had the option simply closing the thread.

Again, there is a lot of her out there, she is far from a "one random Polaroid" girl.

All due respect responding to a great contributor.

[effCup]

Originally Posted by PackOfLies

Is she a "random" amateur?

D) Don't ask for non-professional models (random amateurs)
We do realize in this internet age it may be difficult to distinguish a seemingly candid photo of some random girl from a known model in a similar pose. Use your best judgement but be aware the Moderators do reserve the right to remove any request or other post at their discretion without notice.

I used my best judgement and felt comfortable asking a question. My thought coming in was that if one did not recognize the young lady, they had the option simply closing the thread.

Again, there is a lot of her out there, she is far from a "one random Polaroid" girl.

Right. What evidence do you have that she's an amateur? You're the one that made that claim. /shrug/

[PackOfLies]

Originally Posted by effCup

Right. What evidence do you have that she's an amateur? You're the one that made that claim. /shrug/

What evidence would you accept?

I said I *knew* she was an amateur when I actually just suspected she was.

How many days in VEF jail for that?

[effCup]

Originally Posted by PackOfLies

How many days in VEF jail for that?

None. I guess the thing to bear in mind is that MIR is about trying to find best-known-as professional handles for professional models, rather than amateurs, & certainly not real names (of either professionals or amateurs), so announcing that the person you've shown is an amateur like you did seemed... a bit short-sighted?

If you know someone is an amateur, then the chances of finding out their professional handle are zero, because by definition they won't have one. All one may risk, then, is revealing real name info. which MIR does not want/is not interested in.

I don't know why exfarmer, or perhaps hos before him, qualified his comments/explanation about amateurs by including the word "random". Maybe it was simply illustrative--i.e. someone with only one or a very few pics. is highly unlikely to be a professional model. /shrug/

As those comments indicate, it can sometimes be difficult to tell whether a model is professional or not. Some websites describe/tout their models as "amateurs" when that's not always the case.

[highwayman274]

The "spectrum" of images presented for ID solutions has become quite broad over the past decade, and Moderators' interpretation of the MIR Section Rule prohibiting requests for "random amateurs" has also evolved.

Unfortunately, there has been no re-write of the MIR Section Rules; leaving a lot of room for debate.

As a Mod, I have a much greater issue with the poor quality of scans and screen-caps we are frequently asked to work with . . . . but that is a topic for another day.

[Pepper II]

OK; everyone listen up. We've seen examples of seemingly amateurish candid photos actually being a known model. And in these days where anyone with a cell phone can take and post photos on-line it has become impossible to distinguish. No member is forced to investigate any of these requests so if the model is not of interest then don't bother. In a case like this if she is truly an unknown amateur the thread will just die a natural death and no harm done.

I intended to edit the rule to this effect but after reading it it seems unnecessary.

Originally Posted by exfarmer

D) Don't ask for non-professional models (random amateurs)

We do realize in this internet age it may be difficult to distinguish a seemingly candid photo of some random girl from a known model in a similar pose. Use your best judgement but be aware the Moderators do reserve the right to remove any request or other post at their discretion without notice.

[effCup]

This thing about amateurs has seemingly become bigger than I'd intended, sorry.

Is "random amateurs" the clearest/simplest way of expressing the concept? From that one might perhaps think MIR is interested in finding professional handles for a) professional models & b) regular amateurs? I suspect that was not the intent, despite its apparent logic.

I think what was meant was that MIR is interested in finding professional handles for a) professional models & b) professional models who might on some sites be claimed or pretending to be amateurs. If that's the case then is "random amateurs" really the best antonym?

edit: why not simply state that MIR is only interested in finding best-known-as professional handles for professional models. Then, underneath that, add some sort of clarification that it will also consider cases where although a model may be claimed to be amateur, there's some sort of evidence suggesting that they're instead professional--e.g. quality of images looks professional, or significant quantity of work, etc.? That way there's a) clarity of the stated focus upon professional models & b) some clarity that there's an onus upon submitters of queries to find/show some sort of evidence that suggests the model may be professional, rather than the other way around?

I know, it's just the same intent as the existing "random amateurs" comment, but is its meaning perhaps then any clearer? /shrug/

[Pepper II]

I've added a quote of our thread title tagging codes to the MIR Section Rules so it will have a more permanent home.

[effCup]

Can mods perhaps move content from here to her thread?

I know, you want members to do such for themselves but I happen to know that the chances of that happening in this instance are very low.

Also, I added to this. /shrug/