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I'm sure there are many nice afghans, but on the whole they seem quite unpleasant, I think we should nuke them, it might work, a short sharp shock, what could go wrong
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Would be worth seeing. Last edited by Nobody1; August 25th, 2012 at 03:18 AM.. |
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Hitler had a comment like that about the Soviet Union "kick in the door, and the whole rotten place will come down" (I think that's the line. . . is that right?) But sometimes, if you "kick in the door" on a place like Russia, where perhaps people are disgruntled, they'll decide that however disgruntled they may be with each other, they hate the invader far more. The Cheney/Rumsfeld team actively trashed all attempts by the US State Department to do things like "planning" for "what happens after we win". In their magical world, with Saddam gone, Iraqis would be happy, pump oil, and "pay for their own reconstruction" (per Paul Wolfowitz, who famously estimated Iraq war costs in the $50 Billion range) The curious thing is that this defect in strategy at the highest levels would get you reamed out as an operational officer. Anyone commanding small units has to have a "plan a, a plan b, and 'go to hell" plan". No junior officer is permitted to say "our plan is that everything will work the way we predict", but mysteriously at the level of Secretary of Defense and Vice President, that's exactly what we did. |
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August 25th, 2012, 07:13 AM | #116 |
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Having been away I've just found this thread and apologies if this is a little late.
The 1745 rebellion is widely misunderstood.When Bonnie Prince Charlie landed very few people were interested . Those who did take part were often coerced-threatened with eviction or something else by their lairds who probably lived in London anyway. There was no such thing as a clan tartan-that was a Victorian invention. In fact one feature of the battle in which Scots fought on each side was that they could not be distinguished from each other. As mentioned elsewhere the clearances were the result of economic changes. They had happened earlier in England so it was nothing to do with how the Scots were treated. |
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Men equated with power. Your tenants obeyed you because they farmed your land by courtesy of you. If you said "We shall fight the Elector" then they put on their claymores and shields and marched with you to Glenfinnan and swore allegiance to Prince Charles. It was your decision; they had to do what you said. They were your power in the land. That all changed after 1746 when the clans were forcibly disarmed. Your tenants were no longer your private army. They were now just a burden to you, sub-optimally occupying land which could carry sheep more profitably than it could carry people.
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That was end of Phase one,As Scounds says phase two was defeating the Afghans in battle and then devasting the country in a manner redolent of The Hundred Years War in the Middle Ages.
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Obviously they learned the wrong lessons. The problem is not to defeat the 'Afghan army' - almost anyone in any age could do that. It's the irregulars that break you, and it's still the same today
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