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Old 02-15-2018, 12:19 PM   #33301
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They didn't call him "Genosse der Bosse" (the bosses' comrade) for nothing. Schröder used to boast how Germany has the biggest low-wage sector in Europe at the 2005 World Economic Forum in Davos.

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"Wer hat uns verraten ? Die Sozialdemokraten !"
(Who has betrayed us ? The Social-Demokrats !).

Was once (1918 !!!) a slogan of the German-Labour-Corps, as Friedrich Ebert cooperated with the so called (right wing!) Freikorps and let shoot on the/his own party-members.
This saw was in those days the protest-motto of the embittered and betrayed left comrades.

It has nothing left of the actuality nowadays (-> "Genosse der Bosse").
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Brecht old thing. You have expressed the reason that this European voted to leave the EU for.

Countries refusing to implement this dictate from Brussels/Berlin will be "punished" financially and denounced as "nationalists". Increasing poverty, insecure employment circumstances, the undermining of democracy and the pushing of competition between workers to its extremes is not how they're going to "bring Europe together".

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Brecht old thing. You have expressed the reason that this European voted to leave the EU for.

Countries refusing to implement this dictate from Brussels/Berlin will be "punished" financially and denounced as "nationalists". Increasing poverty, insecure employment circumstances, the undermining of democracy and the pushing of competition between workers to its extremes is not how they're going to "bring Europe together".

I thank you.
Yep, but that's only a step backward. All the non-EU members in 2018 will become one day EU members and then WU (union world) members. Maybe you and I will be dead before to watch this, but that will happen. That's the destiny of humanity. No more wars and fair cooperation. Not living alone on its island or its mountain.
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Yep, but that's only a step backward. All the non-EU members in 2018 will become one day EU members and then WU (union world) members. Maybe you and I will be dead before to watch this, but that will happen. That's the destiny of humanity. No more wars and fair cooperation. Not living alone on its island or its mountain.
I imagine there are a lot of countries that would give up their autonomy for this "destiny" you post of. But there are at least a few that would not. The US, Australia, the UK, Russia, China and others.
You notice that the ones I mentioned specifically all have nukes too.
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Yep, but that's only a step backward. All the non-EU members in 2018 will become one day EU members and then WU (union world) members. Maybe you and I will be dead before to watch this, but that will happen. That's the destiny of humanity. No more wars and fair cooperation. Not living alone on its island or its mountain.

In reality that's just a pipe dream or part of an ultimate wish list but it will never happen, sadly wars are a constant, it's a fact of life and death.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/bo...about-war.html

"Of the past 3,400 years, humans have been entirely at peace for 268 of them, or just 8 percent of recorded history."

They don't actually give any evidence as to which years they believe there were no wars going on but I think that even 268 years is possibly far too optimistic
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I imagine there are a lot of countries that would give up their autonomy for this "destiny" you post of. But there are at least a few that would not. The US, Australia, the UK, Russia, China and others.
You notice that the ones I mentioned specifically all have nukes too.
I'm sure the Australians will be surprised and delighted to hear they have nukes-they'll be able to shake them in a vaguely threatening fashion in the general direction of Indonesia....
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I'm sure the Australians will be surprised and delighted to hear they have nukes-they'll be able to shake them in a vaguely threatening fashion in the general direction of Indonesia....
It's New Zealand and the Kerguelens Australia really needs to worry about.
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The organisation I work for purports to represent the best interests of the World, yet with all the infighting, cliches and certain countries being allowed to do as they wish, it fails to bring harmony outside the chamber, and often inside it! There are a total of twenty seven members of my team, poor sods, from eleven different countries, we get on well, but only because we are all friends and spend much of our time far from home with just each other to rely on. A World Union? Nope never, the EU is scared that Brexit will break it apart, like all organisations the biggest mouths dominate, and the rest do as they are told, little folk will always fight back, so I do not see any kind of World Union, ever!

As for an end to Wars, sorry it is not human nature to live in peace!
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I'm sure the Australians will be surprised and delighted to hear they have nukes-they'll be able to shake them in a vaguely threatening fashion in the general direction of Indonesia....
Since they are a US and UK alley and they won't admit it yes I think they have a couple or more.
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