When - and if - do you think real sex will appear in mainstream films?

doyle · February 21st, 2010, 03:38 PM

I don't mean odd little films with limited distribution, but popular movies with standard theatre distribution.

A couple of years ago, I would have said never: it's a last frontier that'll never be breached. But something strange seems to be happening with movies, American movies at least. There's a frantic quality to them, a racing toward...something. I don't know what it is.

Something's going to happen. Maybe an economic crash, maybe something more.
Some time soon, within the next couple of years, somebody's going to make a popular film with real suckin' and fuckin', not as the focus of the shot (god forbid!), but casually integrated into the scene, without the standard coyly arranged bedsheets and shadows.
What do you think?

kayfabe420 · February 21st, 2010, 03:51 PM

It will never happen here in America too many bible thumpers running the movie companies

**billybunter** · February 21st, 2010, 04:01 PM

A short answer: never.

**anklebiter** · February 21st, 2010, 04:10 PM

Weird. Yesterday I had almost the same thought.I was watching an old dean martin movie, thinking how everyone back in the day had class.
Nowadays there's very little class, and people have forgone style and talent in favor of shock.
Contrast Lohan, Jolie, and Fox to yesterdays starlets.
About the only way the next generation can up the ante is to do explicit sex. Some low class producer will offer gobs of cash to some no name actress, and if the American public is open to it, every producer will do his own version.Next thing, it's the norm.

Remember when our porn actresses were doing underground fisting and pissing type stuff nobody heard about till years later? Now it's common. Same with mainstream; just give it time.

Aubrey · February 21st, 2010, 07:43 PM

I've got a feeling that permissiveness has gone just about as far as it will got - in Britain and the US anyway - and that soon it may start going back. It has happened before - the later Victorian era was much less permissive that the era before it - and there are already signs of it happening again - the extreme porn law, the law that will make possession of cartoons showing illegal sex punishable by up to three years in prison (this is already the law in Australia, where a judge ruled that cartoon characters are people, and so must be protected).
(Actually, an argument in the defence of a picture of Lisa out of the S1mpsons having sex would be that it is perfectly legal, as she is at least 28 - IE, she was 8 when the S1mpsons started, and that was 20 years ago.)

This could all be wrong, but I'm not sure that I would want a regular film to have real sex in it. Something like Crash - the Cronenburg film - I think that's dam' good, and me and my brother wondered whether it would be better - more real - with real hard-core scenes. But we decided that maybe you'd fast forward through the other bits. I may be wrong here as well - maybe it would make it better.

kevint · February 21st, 2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kayfabe420

It will never happen here in America too many bible thumpers running the movie companies

The bible thumpers don't run the movie companies, they run the theater chains and the local media. That's why the major studios won't touch anything above an R rating - because the theater chains won't book them and the local papers and TV stations won't advertise them.

Also movies are so expensive to make now and they have such a low profit margin even when they are successful that no one is in a hurry to try anything remotely daring.

I predict by the end of this decade mainstream adult cinema will be dead. There will be arthouses but nothing made for grown-ups will be produced by Hollywood or play at your local Odeon, Cue or Cineworld. It will entirely be kiddie and teenage entertainment. We're half way there now.

**otokonomidori** · February 21st, 2010, 08:31 PM

The arthouse film "9 Songs" had real humping in it a couple of years ago - it got a certificate in the UK -whether or not it's the type of film the average person goes to see that still strikes me as acceptance by society .

**DTravel** · February 21st, 2010, 08:54 PM

The problem with the question as asked is "not as the focus of the shot (god forbid!), but casually integrated into the scene". If its not the focus of the shot, then faking it works just as well and avoids a NC-17 (US) rating which would kill any chance of distribution in theatres. An unrated direct to video release may be a faint possibility but I seriously doubt it. It needs the theatrical release for the publicity and still has the "not the focus" problem. It either doesn't have to be real or its the point of the scene, in which case it is effectively porn, therefore not "mainstream".

st4bilo · February 21st, 2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fleetwood77

The arthouse film "9 Songs" had real humping in it a couple of years ago

And quite a few more. But it depends on what you call "mainstream".
If you take "mainstream" as a synonym for hollywood movies,
there are not many. Just "In The Cut" with Meg Ryan comes to my mind,
there is a short explicit oral sex (bj) scene in it.

But if "mainstream" is everything besides porn,
there are some to mention. Especially european and asian studios
are a bit more courageous to show all things like they are,
not only violence......

e.g.
The Band (new movie from Australia)
Brown Bunny (US, Chloe Sevigny)
Xfemmes I and II (French,Victoria Abril)
All about Anna (Scandinavia)
Intimacy (UK)
The Realm of Senses (Japan)
Antares (Austria)
Auftauchen (Germany)
History of Richard O. (France)
and 9 Songs, which is still the best of all of them....

I'll add more later....

(If someone is interested)

the waitress · February 22nd, 2010, 06:52 AM

I really think that we will never see sex scenes in blockbusters from Hollywood (or elsewhere), but in the last 20 years we saw a lot of nude scenes in mainstream movies rated also for 12 year old people (Germany).

A movie like "Ken Park" was a great experience, seeing sex scenes in an "usual" movie.

February 21st, 2010, 03:38 PM	#1
doyle Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: East Coast of US Posts: 435 Thanks: 5,820 Thanked 2,754 Times in 383 Posts	When - and if - do you think real sex will appear in mainstream films? I don't mean odd little films with limited distribution, but popular movies with standard theatre distribution. A couple of years ago, I would have said never: it's a last frontier that'll never be breached. But something strange seems to be happening with movies, American movies at least. There's a frantic quality to them, a racing toward...something. I don't know what it is. Something's going to happen. Maybe an economic crash, maybe something more. Some time soon, within the next couple of years, somebody's going to make a popular film with real suckin' and fuckin', not as the focus of the shot (god forbid!), but casually integrated into the scene, without the standard coyly arranged bedsheets and shadows. What do you think? Last edited by doyle; February 21st, 2010 at 04:23 PM.. Reason: Added drama!

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anklebiter Palerider Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: United States Posts: 509 Thanks: 5,603 Thanked 9,862 Times in 515 Posts	Weird. Yesterday I had almost the same thought.I was watching an old dean martin movie, thinking how everyone back in the day had class. Nowadays there's very little class, and people have forgone style and talent in favor of shock. Contrast Lohan, Jolie, and Fox to yesterdays starlets. About the only way the next generation can up the ante is to do explicit sex. Some low class producer will offer gobs of cash to some no name actress, and if the American public is open to it, every producer will do his own version.Next thing, it's the norm. Remember when our porn actresses were doing underground fisting and pissing type stuff nobody heard about till years later? Now it's common. Same with mainstream; just give it time.

February 21st, 2010, 07:43 PM	#5
Aubrey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 406 Thanks: 10,881 Thanked 3,510 Times in 392 Posts	I've got a feeling that permissiveness has gone just about as far as it will got - in Britain and the US anyway - and that soon it may start going back. It has happened before - the later Victorian era was much less permissive that the era before it - and there are already signs of it happening again - the extreme porn law, the law that will make possession of cartoons showing illegal sex punishable by up to three years in prison (this is already the law in Australia, where a judge ruled that cartoon characters are people, and so must be protected). (Actually, an argument in the defence of a picture of Lisa out of the S1mpsons having sex would be that it is perfectly legal, as she is at least 28 - IE, she was 8 when the S1mpsons started, and that was 20 years ago.) This could all be wrong, but I'm not sure that I would want a regular film to have real sex in it. Something like Crash - the Cronenburg film - I think that's dam' good, and me and my brother wondered whether it would be better - more real - with real hard-core scenes. But we decided that maybe you'd fast forward through the other bits. I may be wrong here as well - maybe it would make it better.

February 21st, 2010, 08:31 PM	#7
otokonomidori 緑の男 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jockistan, UK. Posts: 8,316 Thanks: 39,023 Thanked 122,415 Times in 8,316 Posts	The arthouse film "9 Songs" had real humping in it a couple of years ago - it got a certificate in the UK -whether or not it's the type of film the average person goes to see that still strikes me as acceptance by society .

February 22nd, 2010, 06:52 AM	#10
the waitress Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NRW / Germany Posts: 64 Thanks: 53 Thanked 434 Times in 61 Posts	I really think that we will never see sex scenes in blockbusters from Hollywood (or elsewhere), but in the last 20 years we saw a lot of nude scenes in mainstream movies rated also for 12 year old people (Germany). A movie like "Ken Park" was a great experience, seeing sex scenes in an "usual" movie.