President Donald Trump's Final Days...

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

.... If the counter demonstrators hadn't appeared there would have been no violence. ...

They marched with torches chanting violent slogans with intent to intimidate and create fear. That is violence. Their faces show the intent. These were and are violent individuals. Their entire ideology is violent.

[Meini Again]

Anyone with a closer insight than we Eropeans can get, actually know what happened to:

Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.
If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.
“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.

Trump seemed to use this unverified claim in his tweets, and this undoubtedly led to the setting up of the commission ~ which I believe has to be funded by Congress, but has already hit a brick wall.
And 95% approx rejection by States for the submission of personal data of citizens.
The release of transcripts of his early days talks with the Mexican President about the "Wall"

January 27 phone call with Peña Nieto came seven days after Trump entered office. In it, he focused mainly on issues of trade and immigration, with contentious moments coming in his insistence that Mexico will eventually pay for a wall along with US southern border. Peña Nieto has insisted publicly his country will not pay for the wall's construction, but Trump demanded he cease making that claim."You cannot say that to the press," Trump said on the phone call. "The press is going to go with that and I cannot live with that. You cannot say that to the press...."

The guy Phillips said he would have certifiable concrete proof of his claims about 3 million illegal votes ~
in 2/3 months.
Any of our friends over there heard what's happened on that.

And although no dosh has been forthcoming for a US build, how is that "Wall" coming along.

Trump flits from distraction to distraction, like his revealing his Tax returns.... another day, another distraction.

The only TWO consistencies about Trump is that he cannot, and never has been able to see beyond "Self" and he has a DNA gene that seems to include "self-destruction"

Seems to be combating his baser self a lot of the time ~ imo

[hound dog]

Seems the President has been repeating more of his self created fake news.

President Trump has claimed the Charlottesville counter protesters lacked a permit to gather. This is not true, they had the appropriate permit. He made this statement after he was loudly criticized for his failure to condemn the violence of a nazi rally protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee, the confederate general and traitor to the U.S. President Trump waited two days before he commented on the violence, claiming to have waited to comment so he could get all the facts. Translation from Trump speak: I needed time to figure out how I was going to spin this so that I and my nazi supporters look as good as possible. How sad that American's can not rely on the man they elected president to tell them the truth about the event instead of spinning it in a light that he and his nazi supporters would rather hear and believe. You can't know the truth if it's never spoken.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factch...cid=spartandhp

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by hound dog

Obama didn't seem to have any trouble in finding words that managed to accomplish exactly what President Trump could not. Perhaps the words don't exist when you don't truly believe them. Hypocrisy is always a hard sell.

Maybe.. but it's my contention that if this happened one year ago, Obama could have used the exact same words Trump did in the immediate aftermath of this tragedy and there wouldn't have been all this feigned outrage that it wasn't firm enough, strong enough, quick enough, definitive enough, whatever.

Originally Posted by hound dog

Removing a statue does not rewrite history. What it does do is eliminate a constant source of contention that a large portion of the population finds offensive and that obviously still divides southern populations to this day. The south needs to own up to the fact that they fought the war to preserve slavery, period.

Yup.. and they lost. Due to a bunch of us racist yankees going down there and making them stop.

So, after all the confederate statues are gone, are we done? Do we not then move on to the segregationists? People like Lester Maddox, J William Fulbright, Al Gore, Sr., Robert Byrd, Bull Connor, George Wallace?

Drive through West Virgina.. you'll get dizzy counting the things named after Senator Byrd. A US Senator for 50 years... a klansman who later filibustered the passage of the civil rights act, and refused to vote in favor of it. Every street, bridge, school, building, football field with his name on it has to be removed or renamed, no? Or does he and all the others in that list get a pass because they were all democrats?

Originally Posted by hound dog

President Obama never had to defend himself from anyone, especially those who kept pushing outright lies regarding the country he was born in, like a current president did, let alone the members of the legislative branch who made clear their intent to not support him in any way, voicing their determination that he be a "one term president" right after he won the national election.

You're right.. Obama was never held to account over anything. Especially when he was heard on an open mike, talking to Dmitry Medvedev about missile defense, saying he needed more space and to wait til after the election when he'd have more flexibility. Guess talking to the Russians wasn't taboo then.

As far as the whole birther thing-- doesn't matter now, as it didn't matter then. Despite the fact that the promotional materials bio for his first book said he was "born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii" or that the birth certificate that was produced later on listed a hospital that didn't exist in 1961, nothing was ever gonna happen. Didn't matter... as challenging him on anything was a sure way to be labelled a racist.. and nobody wants that.

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

So the counter protesters are going to start a fight with people they know have AKs rifles, 9mm and .380 handguns, among other weapons and they gonna come with just filled soda Cans? I guess you don't bring a knife to a gun fight but soda cans is that move

That's lame, even for you. There's not been one reported instance of anyone being shot, a shot fired, or even anyone brandishing a gun. If there were, the gun control zealots would be screaming louder than anyone right now. Didn't happen.

Originally Posted by diamelsx

I guess you did not recognize aby of them in their police uniforms

So the police are nazis and klansmen.. again, lame. I suppose that's why they stood back and watched Baltimore burn.. or allowed people to be beaten and their cars destroyed for crime of attending Trump rallies in California.

Originally Posted by diamelsx

You mean his time as a landlord doesn't Count?

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the realities of being a landlord. Try to do someone a favor and rent them a place. You get stiffed on rent, and by the time you can get them evicted the place is damaged almost beyond repair. Been there. Lost my ass. Never again.

This thing with New York City was over 40 years ago and directed at Trump's father, Fred. Donald was in his mid 20s and barely out of college. In the end, there was no conviction or sanction.. other than the Trump organization agreed to publish vacancies in minority publications. His brother Robert wound up running his father's property management company.

So.. now we're gonna blame him for the sins of the father? Never happened to anyone with the last name "Kennedy".

Originally Posted by diamelsx

I remember the lone wolf attack by a guy who was rejected by BLM and other organizations who murdered 5 police officers.

Convenient, no? Believable? Would you believe it if the nazis come out and reject that murderous bastard that drove his car into the crowd?

[hound dog]

Originally Posted by Decadence

Maybe.. but it's my contention that if this happened one year ago, Obama could have used the exact same words Trump did in the immediate aftermath of this tragedy and there wouldn't have been all this feigned outrage that it wasn't firm enough, strong enough, quick enough, definitive enough, whatever.

Your contention is absurd. President Obama saying Trump's exact words, defending Nazi's and saying some of them are good people....and actually meaning it....Nope, I can't see it, it's too ridiculous a concept.

But, to paraphrase: The black guy could say the same words and get a pass, the white guy says them and is pilloried for it.

As a matter of fact, no president has ever defended Nazi's in America until......President Trump. Republicans didn't have trouble condemning them in the past. Regan condemned them, both Bushes have. Hell, Eisenhower was the supreme commander of one of the armies that helped defeat the bastards to begin with. But President Trump can see good qualities. So an organization that has been an anathema up until now suddenly aren't all bad in the eye's of our current president. Please explain how we've misunderstood them and their message for all these years. Was the "Greatest Generation" wrong to have fought WWII? Or maybe it's just that by welcoming them into the Republican party because hey, a vote's a vote regardless, republicans have realized that once that monster was let out of their Pandora's box, they can't get them to get back inside and shut up. The angry white extremists like the power they can now exert within the republican party, power that they were given with open, welcoming arms. And they aren't going to give it up. They were tolerated, because it was thought they could be controlled, but its gotten to be too essential a voting block within the party, votes are needed to replace all the votes of conservative minority members who are seeing the Republican party isn't representing them so much as it is angry whites. Whites who see them as part of the problem because of their ethnicity. Maybe not when they have to interact with them on a personal basis, it's really hard to be an outright dick to people one on one, unless it's your particular gift and just comes naturally to you. But certainly if you happen to be any color other than white, in general, you're part of the problem. If your black it's crime and welfare, Mexican, you're a drug dealer and a rapist, from the middle east, muslim, or just look like you could be, you're a terrorist. Most Republican candidates wont win national elections without the white extremist vote now. Republican's had better get used to them if they want to keep winning any further elections, until the law of averages and demographics finally catches up with them, as it will with white America, and white American's are no longer a majority. Somehow I don't see to many other minority groups lining up to vote with the party that welcomes Nazi's in exchange for their votes. A bit harsh, perhaps, but that is the perception among the young people of this country at the moment. And most babies born in this country are no longer lily white. Those young people are just beginning their lives in voting and the politics of our nation, this is a memory that's going to remain with them for some time, the Republican President of the United States defending Nazi's and their doctrine of hate.

[hound dog]

Originally Posted by Decadence

You're right.. Obama was never held to account over anything. Especially when he was heard on an open mike, talking to Dmitry Medvedev about missile defense, saying he needed more space and to wait til after the election when he'd have more flexibility. Guess talking to the Russians wasn't taboo then.

As far as the whole birther thing-- doesn't matter now, as it didn't matter then. Despite the fact that the promotional materials bio for his first book said he was "born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii" or that the birth certificate that was produced later on listed a hospital that didn't exist in 1961, nothing was ever gonna happen. Didn't matter... as challenging him on anything was a sure way to be labelled a racist.. and nobody wants that.

As far as politics go, there's nothing shocking in Mr. Obama's statement. I would imagine that was one of the topics of discussion Trump's team relayed in a very similar message. "Don't react immediately and harshly to the new sanctions, or whatever, I'll see what I can do after the election." No state secrets divulged, no specific promises made, but a request for a bit of time before an expected reaction.

There is one, slight, little difference. Allow me to point it out to you. As the serving President of the United States Mr. Obama had legal authority to negotiate with a foreign government.....candidate Trump and his team did not. Like I said before, if the end justifies the means, then the Trump team transgressions don't bother you at all. I don't think private citizens should be making suggestions regarding national policy and how it affects the foreign government they are privately and secretly negotiating with till AFTER they are elected and assume the mantle of office.


As far as the birtherism stuff goes, I'll pass..... send Alex Jones an e-mail about how you really showed me on that one.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Decadence

That's lame, even for you. There's not been one reported instance of anyone being shot, a shot fired, or even anyone brandishing a gun. If there were, the gun control zealots would be screaming louder than anyone right now. Didn't happen.

Virginia is a open carry state what can gun control people Say?

Originally Posted by Decadence

So the police are nazis and klansmen.. again, lame.

I guess that the FBI report that said white supremacists groups were infiltrating law enforcement back in 2006 was lame also "lame"
source

Originally Posted by Decadence

This thing with New York City was over 40 years ago and directed at Trump's father, Fred. Donald was in his mid 20s and barely out of college. In the end, there was no conviction or sanction.. other than the Trump organization agreed to publish vacancies in minority publications. His brother Robert wound up running his father's property management company.

So.. now we're gonna blame him for the sins of the father? Never happened to anyone with the last name "Kennedy".

Funny thing about Trump when it comes to credit he always seems to be at the front of the line yet when it is time to pass blame he seems to find himself at the end of that line.

Originally Posted by Decadence

Convenient, no? Believable? Would you believe it if the nazis come out and reject that murderous bastard that drove his car into the crowd?

Totally believable for this reason. Johnson had issues and if you know how those organizations screen applicants cause of past infiltrations of organizations know that no organization would touch him.

[tsunamiSD]

GOP Senator: Trump Lacking 'Stability,' 'Competence' To Succeed

A leading Republican senator told reporters on Thursday that President Trump "has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful."
Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker was at the Rotary Club of Chattanooga and spoke to local reporters there. In video posted by Chloe Morrison of Nooga.com, Corker added, "And we need for him to be successful. Our nation needs for him to be successful."

Corker is a respected GOP voice on Capitol Hill, serving as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He was said to be on the shortlist of possible running mates for Trump in 2016 before Trump chose Mike Pence, who was then the governor of Indiana.
Corker appeared to be selecting his words carefully as he spoke to local press at the event in Chattanooga. He joins a handful of GOP senators — including Marco Rubio of Florida, John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina — who have called Trump out by name.

There is a lot more down further in the article...

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by Decadence

Maybe.. but it's my contention that if this happened one year ago, Obama could have used the exact same words Trump did in the immediate aftermath of this tragedy and there wouldn't have been all this feigned outrage that it wasn't firm enough, strong enough, quick enough, definitive enough, whatever.



Yup.. and they lost. Due to a bunch of us racist yankees going down there and making them stop.

So, after all the confederate statues are gone, are we done? Do we not then move on to the segregationists? People like Lester Maddox, J William Fulbright, Al Gore, Sr., Robert Byrd, Bull Connor, George Wallace?

Drive through West Virgina.. you'll get dizzy counting the things named after Senator Byrd. A US Senator for 50 years... a klansman who later filibustered the passage of the civil rights act, and refused to vote in favor of it. Every street, bridge, school, building, football field with his name on it has to be removed or renamed, no? Or does he and all the others in that list get a pass because they were all democrats?



You're right.. Obama was never held to account over anything. Especially when he was heard on an open mike, talking to Dmitry Medvedev about missile defense, saying he needed more space and to wait til after the election when he'd have more flexibility. Guess talking to the Russians wasn't taboo then.

As far as the whole birther thing-- doesn't matter now, as it didn't matter then. Despite the fact that the promotional materials bio for his first book said he was "born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii" or that the birth certificate that was produced later on listed a hospital that didn't exist in 1961, nothing was ever gonna happen. Didn't matter... as challenging him on anything was a sure way to be labelled a racist.. and nobody wants that.

I hate to say this, but this post has pretty well trashed the respect I formerly had for you.

I can't believe that you are trying to revive the long discredited birther thing or defend the Trump organization's repeated violations of consent decrees for violations of Fair Housing Statutes. Not that most property management firms don't try to avoid conforming to those laws (says a man who worked in property management.)