Lynda Carter ~ Colleen Camp Picture Debate

[carlor]

Originally Posted by tertium

Little bit of postscript. We made wikipedia, entertainment weekly, and a bunch of other websites and blogs. At least our evidence did. It seems like it's becoming the prevalent view in the wider world that the photo is real. I feel like we solved a mystery.

But just knowing that Lynda Carter filmed a topless scene, very similar to Colleen Camp's scene. That would have been so incredible to see. Is there any way in hell, any slim chance that even a few frames survived of the footage of Lynda in Apocalypse Now?

Were there other poses and shots from Lynda's Playboy shoot for the centerfold prop/set dressing? They nearly always do a roll of film if not multiple rolls every time they set up a major shoot.

Are those negatives really in Hugh Hefner's vault and slated to be destroyed when he dies? Can we please stop this destruction of multiple national treasures?

Is there still hope that topless/nude images of Lynda Carter exist and will one day be seen?

There's no mystery. Lynda Carter did NOT film a topless scene, as you seem to think. Instead, she, like Colleen Camp, posed for a centrefold photo with the Playboy photographer Steven Chen using Playboy's high quality centerfold camera. As he has discussed in print; in Playboy. BOTH photos were published in 1982; in a low-rent magazine which I believe was called FLIKR. I bought it on a newsstand in Chicago, and kept it for many years until the widespread availability of digital images of both women's centerfold picture made it pointless to keep any longer.

[moonspellsmoon]

Thanks, Carlor!

This has always been a hard forensic grind.

Lynda and Colleen were in Expose Oct 1982 (scans in the thread), Harvey February 1983 (See Rubinsky post #24, scans).

The internet says Colleen Camp was photographed by Mario Casilli for the October 1979 Apocalypse Now pictorial.

http://www.vintageplayboymags.co.uk/...Mario_Casilli/

The internet lists Playboy gatefold photographers:

http://www.vintageplayboymags.co.uk/photographers/

So it looks like the internet doesn't remember Steven/Stephen Chen/Chan as a playboy photographer, records someone else on the Colleen Camp gatefold, and the internet doesn't remember FLIKR.

Can you help Hellblazer - the "Nude Lynda Carter" Librarian of Congress - fact check?

Basically, if it existed, it perhaps could be found, but if the names, dates are off, we can't find it!

Earlier in this thread, a couple of other folks also raise this Steven/Stephen Chen/Chan thing. Can we find text or a scan of this? Where would we find this?

Here's David Mecey saying he photo'ed Lynda for PB, interesting. http://blog.samys.com/playboy-photographer-david-mecey/

[tertium]

I didn't take the troll bait last time, so I'll indulge myself.

@calor
Six posts in 8 years? Slow down buddy, pace yourself.

Everything you are describing, but drawing the wrong conclusion to, is in Expose Oct 1982. The publishers knew it was real, because they knew where it came from. It was stolen from the set of Apocalypse now. And the only way they could publish a nude photo of Lynda without her, Playboy, and Zoetrope’s permission, was to claim it’s fake. If any of the parties claimed it was real and sued for damages, they would have exposed the real photo to a much, much wider audience.

Lynda Carter did NOT film a topless scene, as you seem to think.

As I and Academy Award winning director Francis Ford Coppola seem to think.

Francis Ford Coppola says in his commentary for Apocalypse Now Redux that Lynda Carter was cast as a Playboy Bunny and some of her scenes were shot before the Typhoon but she had to return to the states for Wonder Woman. If some of her scenes were filmed, they would already have made the prop/set dressing that would be needed in many different scenes. If you haven’t seen the movie, the prop is used repeated and is on camera a lot. In the Redux version of the film, there is a second playboy bunny scene that has all 3 playmates topless on screen for several minutes.

Instead, she, like Colleen Camp, posed for a centrefold photo with the Playboy photographer Steven Chen using Playboy's high quality centerfold camera. As he has discussed in print; in Playboy.

Right, they were photographed with a playboy camera, for playboy centerfold props, that were used in the movie. It really isn't hard to understand.

Thanks for participating in our on going discussion. And if you do come across, real, verifiable information, we of course would love to have it.

[tertium]

@moonspellsmoon
David Mecey is talking about the made for tv movie called "Posing" or "I Posed For Playboy". Lynda portrayed the small town wife who wanted to prove older women could be sexy. David photographed the woman Lynda's part is based on in real life, as well as played the playboy photographer in the film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102695/

[Hellblazer]

Now we're going a little off the track, but there is also another Playboy photoshoot of Lynda made for "I Posed for Playboy". It's used in a scene where she confronts her husband and shows him the pictorial. I don't know who might have been the photographer, but it's another Playboy photoshoot of Lynda (although without nudity) that still hasn't been officially published or leaked!



There were probably more pictures taken as well

Originally Posted by moonspellsmoon

Can you help Hellblazer - the "Nude Lynda Carter" Librarian of Congress - fact check?[/url]

Ha! You guys know a lot more than me when it comes to the mags and all. I have never heard of Stephen Chen before. The Colleen Camp centerfold was always associated with Mario Casilli.

Also, a bit of trivia: I was watching an interview with Lynda on Larry King from 1986, and a fan asked if she was approached by skin magazines. She said she was approached several times even before being really famous, but she said she wouldn't do it and that women should only do it if they really wanted to do it and not because there's pressure to promote their careers or something because that would be exploitative.

I don't think it tells anything about the Apocalypse Now situation though since that would be for a movie, and she had already done nudity in Bobbie Jo, and later did another photoshoot for Playboy, although not nude.

Here's the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uVLl18vK9s
Starts at 1:24

[moonspellsmoon]

More fun.

The single most similar layout is Karen Witter (Lorre), March 1982, Arny Freytag. He had just started in 1976, let's say he didn't do this one.



Faithful readers of this thread will recall points about lighting. The thing about centerfold photography is the 40-50 spotlights pointed at the good parts. Read up Freytag.

Look at the hotspots and necessary lighting angles, the lighting on temple, nose, cheek, chin, suprasternal notch, sternum, breast, and belly.

I'm no expert, but I'm good with the sternocleidomastoidus, comparing to the Witter centerfold.

It's a match. Obviously, that doesn't rule out using two models in the same position and session and then merging the photos. How... stupid would that be? Lynda Carter was a nobody taking a bit 'playmate' part in a movie.

[Hellblazer]

Bumping for some more evidence

Here's an article from Mediascene magazine from January 1977 that mentions a photoshoot for a Playboy centerfold that Lynda did between the pilot and the second episode (which falls in line with the story that she shot her scenes after the pilot, but couldn't come back later for reshoots because then the network ordered more episodes).

Note that this was way before the Expose issue (1982) and probably before the photo even emerged, and there already was talks going around about its existence, likely because it's legit. It was also before the Playboy interview with Colleen Camp where she mentioned Lynda doing the photoshoot (1979).

During the lull between the first and second Wonder Woman pilots, Lynda Carter modeled for a Playboy centerfold. The session produced considerable excitement and was proposed for an upcoming issue. However, television producers, frightened that this "exposure" would break the mystique surrounding their newfound success in the "child-oriented" Wonder Woman, managed to have the photo feature tabled.

http://www.wonderland-site.com/html/mags/mags00003.htm

Here's also Lynda Carter recently wearing the jacket she wore in the set

[lipsOfTheCnut]

Originally Posted by moonspellsmoon

I haven't seen that Lynda picture for years so I was shocked by its rank fakeness. Look at it from the photographer's viewpoint. Would one of the world’s premier beauty and fashion photographers, as David Mecey is described, be happy with that neck?

[proowog]

Screen shot from the movie....sure looks like Colleen to me.

[beechray]

Originally Posted by lipsOfTheCnut

I haven't seen that Lynda picture for years so I was shocked by its rank fakeness. Look at it from the photographer's viewpoint. Would one of the world’s premier beauty and fashion photographers, as David Mecey is described, be happy with that neck?

I can't imagine the producers spending the time and $ to get a Playboy quality centerfold pic for such a small, fleeting glimpse prop (and arguably forgettable if the lovely Ms. Carter had not been involved) ...after all, it wasn't a shoot bound for publication...