The Cricket Thread. - Page 477

**victor meldrew** · July 19th, 2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DB83

Wasn't the two tier system adopted so that the counties could fit the one-day tournaments in ?

So devalue the long-form game.

Wasn't there a proposal a year or so back of teams merging like they do in the rugby regions? But that would hardly work either rather than put many first-class cricketers out of a job.

Was it not also to introduce a competitive element into the game with a two tier league with relegation and promotion, although now it has turned into Kolpak cricket for a lot of counties, add in all the overseas elements, the Yorkies apart it does not lead to a stable line up on a yearly basis.
Since Swann went we have been through a hat full of spinners and with the exception of Moeen none have been of test calibre, with Dawson being the latest incumbent. Take wickets or score runs in CC and you have an above average chance of making the test side, but as many find, Test Cricket is on a much higher plain and they just don't have the character or the fight.

**Oswald** · July 19th, 2017, 04:41 PM

Apologises for being tardy with my reaction here.

Congratulations to Ireland and Afghanistan for their promotion to full test status. I think the ICC may now introduce a two division test league system.

The Irish players who currently play in the English county championship will now have to be considered as overseas players surely?

For someone of my generation who witnessed the West Indies reign supreme in all forms of international cricket for 15 years must be saddened by the fact that the Windies are now in serious problems both on and off the field. Their very future must now be in jeopardy. They still own the BCCI monies for that cancelled tour a few years ago.

**DB83** · July 19th, 2017, 05:50 PM

^^ And if the two divisions are based on results, where does that place England ?

Problem with that is that teams do not play each other every year. You then get the likes of England, Australia and India in one division and there is not likely to be any relegation since they effectively run the show. And then the 2nd division teams get little chance to play the 1st. Not that they get much of that any way.

**victor meldrew** · July 19th, 2017, 09:48 PM

I might be wrong, but I thought the ICC shelved the two tier test idea last September.

**countjimmoriarty** · July 20th, 2017, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by victor meldrew

I might be wrong, but I thought the ICC shelved the two tier test idea last September.

Correct.

The first problem Ireland and Afghanistan are going to have is finding someone willing to find a space in the schedule to play them.

**rupertramjet** · July 20th, 2017, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by countjimmoriarty

Correct.

The first problem Ireland and Afghanistan are going to have is finding someone willing to find a space in the schedule to play them.

The other problem will be convincing the top tier nations that the tests would be financially viable, if not profitable. Bums on seats?

**DB83** · July 20th, 2017, 06:19 PM

Well I hope that the England ladies are not watch Australia vs India in the 2nd semi-final.

Given that India have already thrashed England once and appear to about to do the same to the WC holders I do not hold many, if any, hopes to England in the final.

But cricket is a great leveller. Get a few decisions your way and who knows.

Don't give up just yet.

Image of the moment. When the Indian Kau (that's probably give my form a mis-spelling) giving her partner quite a dose of the verbals when almost run-out at 99.

What a destructive innings. England beware.

**victor meldrew** · July 20th, 2017, 06:39 PM

England with the ball and in the field in the first game were dread full. Some rank friendly bowling and plenty of butter fingers, dropped Raut three or four times as well as basic fielding errors. Batting was a little better, should be an interesting final if England play well.

**bloke57** · July 23rd, 2017, 04:48 PM

England women win Cricket World Cup against the odds.

Shrubsole 6 for 46 - could she play for the men's team please?

**DB83** · July 23rd, 2017, 06:19 PM

Well the ladies have done what the men have failed to do. In fact they have now done it 3 times (or is that 4 ?)

Commiserations to India. The only team to have beaten England in the tournament. And it sure looked for quite some time in their innings that they would do it again.

But England did not give up.

Credit too to England's chief coach who could step into the men's role without effort.

There's gonna be quite a party tonite.

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July 19th, 2017, 04:41 PM	#4762
Oswald Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,112 Thanks: 51,073 Thanked 282,462 Times in 13,802 Posts	Apologises for being tardy with my reaction here. Congratulations to Ireland and Afghanistan for their promotion to full test status. I think the ICC may now introduce a two division test league system. The Irish players who currently play in the English county championship will now have to be considered as overseas players surely? For someone of my generation who witnessed the West Indies reign supreme in all forms of international cricket for 15 years must be saddened by the fact that the Windies are now in serious problems both on and off the field. Their very future must now be in jeopardy. They still own the BCCI monies for that cancelled tour a few years ago.

July 19th, 2017, 05:50 PM	#4763
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,018 Times in 1,458 Posts	^^ And if the two divisions are based on results, where does that place England ? Problem with that is that teams do not play each other every year. You then get the likes of England, Australia and India in one division and there is not likely to be any relegation since they effectively run the show. And then the 2nd division teams get little chance to play the 1st. Not that they get much of that any way.

July 19th, 2017, 09:48 PM	#4764
victor meldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: At the bottom of an empty glass Posts: 15,776 Thanks: 531,870 Thanked 179,942 Times in 15,764 Posts	I might be wrong, but I thought the ICC shelved the two tier test idea last September.

July 20th, 2017, 06:19 PM	#4767
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,018 Times in 1,458 Posts	Well I hope that the England ladies are not watch Australia vs India in the 2nd semi-final. Given that India have already thrashed England once and appear to about to do the same to the WC holders I do not hold many, if any, hopes to England in the final. But cricket is a great leveller. Get a few decisions your way and who knows. Don't give up just yet. Image of the moment. When the Indian Kau (that's probably give my form a mis-spelling) giving her partner quite a dose of the verbals when almost run-out at 99. What a destructive innings. England beware.

July 20th, 2017, 06:39 PM	#4768
victor meldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: At the bottom of an empty glass Posts: 15,776 Thanks: 531,870 Thanked 179,942 Times in 15,764 Posts	England with the ball and in the field in the first game were dread full. Some rank friendly bowling and plenty of butter fingers, dropped Raut three or four times as well as basic fielding errors. Batting was a little better, should be an interesting final if England play well.

July 23rd, 2017, 04:48 PM	#4769
bloke57 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Unaffordable housing Posts: 4,923 Thanks: 31,646 Thanked 68,928 Times in 4,921 Posts	England women win Cricket World Cup against the odds. Shrubsole 6 for 46 - could she play for the men's team please?

July 23rd, 2017, 06:19 PM	#4770
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,018 Times in 1,458 Posts	Well the ladies have done what the men have failed to do. In fact they have now done it 3 times (or is that 4 ?) Commiserations to India. The only team to have beaten England in the tournament. And it sure looked for quite some time in their innings that they would do it again. But England did not give up. Credit too to England's chief coach who could step into the men's role without effort. There's gonna be quite a party tonite.